Pat Robertson shows again why the Christian Right is such a laughingstock

Wow, talk about completely missing the point!The point of Health Care is to PREVENT people from getting sick. Been skipping the last twenty or so posts I see.

Wow, I'd certainly like to see an independent body discuss this since it passed me by.I was looking at S/11940 (UN Draft Resolution) I see: I don't see the occupation portrayed here as being friendly and neighbourly, but rather it seems that Palestinians were evicted from their property with no compensation...house warming, assmilation? If friendly relations was the intention, it seems they didn't execute it very well.Anyway, this is all horribly off topic...I'm just amazed by the simple black & white worldview you seem to have. Take care!

Awfully condescending tone in this response. We're talking past each other & I fully recognize preventative medicine is preferable to acute care, however, we have to pay for this.When this discussion started, the statement was made that millions did not have access to medical treatment, which is not true. Millions are uninsured, not untreated. Health care includes acute medical treatment, too, BTW, it's not exclusively preventative or diagnostic. Health care encompasses all of it, the entire package.And I agree that in a country as wealthy as ours, no one should go without medical care. However, that doesn't mean that everyone should have a private room, with a gourmet chef at his disposal when he's hospitalized like Donald Trump possibly might. We also have no right to deny Mr. Trump the prerogatives he's EARNED by the incredible success he's achieved. To the victor go the spoils. We don't live in a communist country, where everybody has the same amount of nothing.

Well, I've never understood why liberals have to make things so darn complicated. The intention was to become a nation & live in peace with its neighbors. To stop its neighbors from attacking them, to encourage its neighbors to have an economic stake in the community, join in, become a part of something productive, and all thrive together. Build something of value together & live in peace. What's so hard to understand about that?

Did you intend to reply to me with this post? I'm on your side.

"The war is Iraq is not about terrorists acquiring WMD. Firstly, Iraq didn't have any. Second, Saddam's government was secular and hated by the terrorist states."Had Saddam Hussein remained in power, there's every reason to believe he would have given WMD's to al Qaeda & there were terrorists in Iraq when we invaded. He harbored them for decades.

What's your point?

It's very easy to understand. I didn't have difficulty the first time. I've just don't see this intention having bourne out in reality. The reality seems to be that palestinians were forced from homes with no compensation. That is not community, productive, thriving together, or an attempt to live in peace. Now, I'm sure some Palestinians received compensation, and I'm sure some Jewish settlers wanted peace and love. However, the issue isn't wonderfully black and white/clear cut as you seem to fantasize.edit: I don't really want to continue a discussion which is clearly going to be two people repeating the same things. If you have something new to say, by all means do (I'd enjoy reading an independentish link if you have one)...but in the interests of thread preservation I may well not respond much further.This message has been edited by Modulous, Thu, 25-August-2005 09:20 PM

Oops, I clicked wrong. Was meant as a reply to Tal's post about Canada's healthcare system being good until you get sick

And I said this where exactly? But this isn't about Donald Trump...it's about health care and how everyone should have access to it. And I said this where exactly? Are you suggesting that people like Mr. Trump can therefore do whatever they want? Cuz like it or not...money talks and the wealthy have access to polititians in ways that your average joe does not. How cleaver of you to notice...but what's your point?

Liberals had a stranglehold on the Congress for 40 years, prior to 1994 when the Contract with America helped change the majority in the House of Representatives. The laws & regulations passed during that period in country's history, just devastated this country. Consumer protection laws, OSHA, EPA, LBJ's "Great Society," welfare, medicare, political correctness, the list goes on and on. That's the power that liberals had & still have. You think we can put all that toothpaste back in the tube, just because we happen to hold the WH & the Congress at the moment. Don't forget the Judiciary in this country, many of the positions which are lifetime appointments, are held by liberals & extremely powerful. Liberalism has torn this country apart & the population has just started to realize it. It will take many, many more years before any real changes start to occur back in the direction of conservatism, despite the political gains Republicans have made in the last few years.

Nothing, really. Just that you seem to think it's immoral of the insured to have access to health care while the uninsured do not. It seems to me, we'd do better to put the guilt trips aside & concentrate on a plan that provides coverage for those who are not now covered.

N. Korea IS giving WMD to terrorists vs. Iraq might give.There are certainly MORE terrorists in Iraq now than when we invaded.As for harboring them for decades, OBL wanted Saddam assassinated for his secular policies. Could there have been terrorists in Iraq getting training, sure. After all, there were terrorists in Florida learning how to fly. Did we harbor them?

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hat's the power that liberals had & still have.

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I love the paranoia of the far right. Long after the last liberal has been sent to the gas chamber, the conservatives will still be checking for liberals under their beds.

WOW!! This may very well be the biggest load of horse shit I have ever had the pleasure of reading. I'm not sure how to do this, but I would love to nominate this as a "post of the month".And to think, this started out as a thread about Pat Robertson first being a bit wacky and then becoming an out right liar. Now (again, as I predicted), the right-wingers have turned it into another bashing of the Left.