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derwood
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Message 16 of 98 (45398)
07-08-2003 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Wounded King
07-08-2003 10:36 AM


Re: semantics indeed
That PCID would publish such crap is indicative of their low level of review - that or their desperation.
In addition, one will notice that the "double issue" consists of a handful of already available internet essays.
So, I will modify the above to:
this shows their low level of scrutiny AND their desperation!
LOL!
To see the real Davison in action, check this out...
The exchange between Pim and nosivad - where Pim presents all manner of salty-refuting citations and explanations, and OutOfDate Davison responds with... hero worship and indignation...
How typical...
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Minnemooseus
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Message 17 of 98 (45419)
07-08-2003 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
07-05-2003 12:59 AM


For Schraf
quote:
In my fantasy world, it really bugged him that I, an illogical, intellectually inferior woman...
quote:
Women, and their nutty hormones.
I'm assuming you missed this, in the opening message of this topic.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 18 of 98 (45491)
07-09-2003 4:51 AM


Enough of squirrel
What about Moose?
The Moose
ps: re:http://EvC Forum: millions of years? -->EvC Forum: millions of years?

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Mammuthus
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Message 19 of 98 (45500)
07-09-2003 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Minnemooseus
07-09-2003 4:51 AM


Re: Enough of squirrel
Here you go
more seriously..I could not get a tree from a paper where I have free access

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nator
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Message 20 of 98 (45567)
07-09-2003 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Minnemooseus
07-08-2003 2:38 PM


Re: For Schraf
What, are you tryin' to start sumpthin'?

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Percy
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Message 21 of 98 (45647)
07-10-2003 12:30 PM


Going from memory, this is from Scott Adam's book The Way of the Weasel:
If you spend all of your time arguing with people who are nuts, you'll be exhausted and the nuts will still be nuts.
--Percy
[Found verbatim quote on web. --Percy]
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derwood
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Message 22 of 98 (45666)
07-10-2003 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Percy
07-10-2003 12:30 PM


I have a less charitible one
A came across this on another board:
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Even if you win, you are still a retard.
Mean, I suppose, but I found it hilarious...

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derwood
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Message 23 of 98 (45753)
07-11-2003 1:41 PM


Trainor and 'bias'
I have to laugh whenever Davison blabbers on about how much "better" Terry Trainor's den of simpletons is, and how he is unbiased and all this.
Look here:
Link to topic at Terry's Talk Origins
I see at least two folks banned in that thread alone...
Yeah... So much more unbviased....
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Percy
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Message 24 of 98 (45769)
07-11-2003 5:06 PM
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07-11-2003 1:41 PM


Re: Trainor and 'bias'
You might want to reply to Terry's message about the NG retraction being hidden away. They wrote a lengthy article about the embarassing episode in a subsequent issue that was featured prominently.
Given the ease with which the religious are duped by crying statues and such, I don't think a very strong case can be made that scientists who are temporarily fooled by fabricated data are frauds. It's the same with other examples, like Piltdown. Whoever faked the jaw and tooth was committing fraud. Whoever was convinced by it is maybe guilty of being overly credulous, but you can't list fraud among his crimes.
I think we on the science side are also too quick to label people like Baugh and Hovind conscious frauds - I think they really believe what they preach.
--Percy

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Minnemooseus
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Message 25 of 98 (45772)
07-11-2003 5:34 PM
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07-11-2003 1:41 PM


Re: Trainor and 'bias'
From message 57:
quote:
The percent identity in DNA sequence probably has nothing to do with the phenotypic differences between chimps and humans. It most probably simply reflects the accumulation of neutral loci that have arisen since our separation about 6 million years ago. salty
Salty trying to get banned???
Also represented in the topic string in question, is the very poor control of keeping things on topic.
Also, Terry and Buz both seem to be under the sway of "Morton's Demon", but with Terry, the demon's control seems to be pretty much absolute. Not so for the Buzter.
Moose

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MrHambre
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Message 26 of 98 (47424)
07-25-2003 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Admin
07-07-2003 11:25 AM


Speak for yourself
Syamsu writes:
I wish that evolutionists would stop bringing up their often refuted arguments. It is dishonest to bring them up again and again without taking note of the counterarguments that have already been offered.
Syamsu writes:
Why this topic is in the free for all forum is because of people like you repeating the same old refuted arguments over and over and over.
Syamsu writes:
You lost the argument so now go away why don't you? The moderators on this site would certainly like to see some different discussion on this subject, even if it is in the free for all forum.
Syamsu writes:
what is sure is that this endless repetition is useless, so please refrain from it.
Syamsu writes:
So I think you should just go away then.
Syamsu writes:
You can argue that justification again if you want, but as you know I have already refuted that argument numerous times. So really there is no valid argument left, unless you have something completely new.
Syamsu writes:
Again, your conception of Natural Selection turns your view on Nature into something almost completely divorced from reality.
Syamsu writes:
You have to actually entertain the possibility that you're wrong, to have a discussion.
Syamsu writes:
You will just persist in having it your way, eventhough clearly you're wrong.
Syamsu writes:
You can't talk sensibly about whether or not variation should be included in selection, and you can't talk sensibly about the relationship of Darwinism to Social Darwinism. You contribute nothing but irate emotionalism to the discussion, you should just go away.
Syamsu writes:
Considering I've argued this with you several times before, it would be good if you would only make arguments that take notice of all counterarguments I have offered before in responding. Otherwise simply don't post.
Syamsu writes:
what is sure is that this endless repetition is useless, so please refrain from it.
Syamsu writes:
what is sure is that this endless repetition is useless, so please refrain from it.
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Quien busca, halla
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Message 27 of 98 (49754)
08-10-2003 1:49 PM


Misc. off-topic chit-chat
There is a LOT of totally off-topic chit-chat happening in many topics. I suggest it instead be done in this topic, or in an old or new "Short Term Topics and Messages" forum topic. Just supply a link to the source message, if needed. Kind of like a footnote system.
In too many topics, things are currently rather badly out of control. A lot of drivel happening. Let's get the (hopefully entertaining) drivel posted in more suitable places.
We need membership cooperation, or it's going to come down to having to start deleting off-topic messages (God forbid).
Adminnemooseus
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Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
Change in Moderation?
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Message 28 of 98 (49761)
08-10-2003 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Adminnemooseus
08-10-2003 1:49 PM


Re: Misc. off-topic chit-chat
quote:
There is a LOT of totally off-topic chit-chat happening in many topics. I suggest it instead be done in this topic, or in an old or new "Short Term Topics and Messages" forum topic. Just supply a link to the source message, if needed. Kind of like a footnote system.
In too many topics, things are currently rather badly out of control. A lot of drivel happening. Let's get the (hopefully entertaining) drivel posted in more suitable places.
We need membership cooperation, or it's going to come down to having to start deleting off-topic messages (God forbid).
Adminnemooseus
Freshening the BUMP!
Thinking about getting cranky, and giving out a bunch of "off-topic" violation suspensions.
People, let's bring up the quality level.
Adminnemooseus
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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 98 (52011)
08-24-2003 12:01 AM


Quoting Moose from 'has anyone changed' thread:
quote:
I am concerned about the number of topics that are getting dumped into the "Free For All" forum. I think this one should have gone to the "Miscellaneous Topics" forum. Indeed, I wonder if the "Free For All" forum even needs to exist. I offhand don't recall anything much happening there, such that the topic couldn't be in one of the other forums. Perhaps we need to rename the "Free For All" forum to the "Syamsu Forum".
I think Syamsu and I are in "Free For All" so as not to get suspended or censored. Maybe others too; I don't know. The fact that some of our threads are long says something about interest and import, doesn't it? If we didn't draw input from a fairly good crowd I would say your concern would be valid, except that we do draw, and I should think that would be productive to the forum. Could it be that with us over here, it's harder for you to manage our viewpoints via biased moderation tactics a we sense has been the case on some occasions?
Percy says to go here because I'm disobeying forum rules and now you're saying there's too much being "dumped" here. Maybe if we were more fairly moderated as to our minority viewpoints we'd find less need to be in this oasis of freedom.
Then too, often topics are such that related subtopics are beneficial to enhance the main topic. Personally, I enjoy the liberty to use a wider perspective on topics than is allowed on moderated threads, where you get the feeling of restriction by someone constantly looking over your shoulder and admonishing you.

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Message 30 of 98 (52022)
08-24-2003 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
08-24-2003 12:01 AM


quote:
I think Syamsu and I are in "Free For All" so as not to get suspended or censored. Maybe others too; I don't know.
I believe Peter Borger was also "sentenced" to the "Free For All" forum, but wouldn't cooperate, and thus got suspended. These matters are in the hands of Admin, and I don't wish to get into them, at least right now.
quote:
The fact that some of our threads are long says something about interest and import, doesn't it? If we didn't draw input from a fairly good crowd I would say your concern would be valid, except that we do draw, and I should think that would be productive to the forum.
There is no certain correlation between quantity of messages and quality of messages and the overall discussion. There may indeed be topics in which the quality extends deep into many pages. I, however, suspect that many topics are only good for, say, 50 messages, before going bad for whatever reason.
quote:
Could it be that with us over here, it's harder for you to manage our viewpoints via biased moderation tactics a we sense has been the case on some occasions?
I'm thinking that a "one on one" "Great Debate" on the topic of forum moderation methodology might be interesting. Of course, we'd have to have a preliminary debate, to decide the structure etc. of the main debate. Maybe, to really make it interesting, we could have Brad as the moderator .
quote:
Percy says to go here because I'm disobeying forum rules and now you're saying there's too much being "dumped" here.
I was intending the loose usage of the term "dumped". As in being a synonym for "placed". There are many "Free For All" topics that are fully suitable to be in one of the more specific forums.
quote:
Maybe if we were more fairly moderated as to our minority viewpoints we'd find less need to be in this oasis of freedom.
Again, maybe a "Great Debate" is called for, on the theme of moderation.
quote:
Then too, often topics are such that related subtopics are beneficial to enhance the main topic. Personally, I enjoy the liberty to use a wider perspective on topics than is allowed on moderated threads, where you get the feeling of restriction by someone constantly looking over your shoulder and admonishing you.
The question will be, to find the balance point between too much focus, and too much diversity. Going off on a tangent has a real tendency to lead to going even further off.
One thing I really hate to see, is to have a really good, but off-topic, discussion happen - and have it buried deep somewhere where it doesn't belong. I have closed down at least 1 "Free For All" topic for this reason, with the suggestion that a new topic was needed.
Enough for now,
Adminnemooseus

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