When Adam met Eve

Mama Mia! Aggie has aged well.

Interested to see your view that women are a 'disturbance' in the relationship between man and god. Could this explain the misogyny of the church?also, do we know that eve was attractive to adam? maybe he couldn't stand her... maybe she couldn't stand him, and thus ate the apple in an attempt to get out of eden and find herself someone better?how did adam know that she was the same kind as him? she obviously looked different?

In his own words: An Extract from Adam's Diary

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I put the word disturbance between '' so as to offset the possibility that someone would immediately leap to the mysogyny conclusion.If pigs could fly...

"So the Lord said to the Serpent "Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all Livestock and all wild animals" Genesis 3:14That pretty much implies that animals suffered some kind of curse. Do you know what Livestock are? You know that wild animals are in reality animals right? Funny, I grew up in Texas, a part of the Bible belt, and have been to many, many Churches, and off and on I have heared about "The Fall" and it is no doubt in many of the Bibles that people take to Church with them, orthat are available in the pews. You see, In Numerous Bibles, above Genesis chapter 3, you will often see the words "The Fall" or "The Fall of man" (See TNIV, Udpated NASB parrallel The Message, NAB, The Nelson Study Bible NKJV, ESV,The Student Bible NIV, and even above Genesis 3:6 in the Scofield KJV!)The Holman Illustrated Bible dictionary has it under the word "Fall" on page 551 and extends to page 553. It calls the Fall the traditional name for Adam and Eve's original sin and the judgement upon man and nature. Where is that found in the Bible? Genesis 3. Hmmm. In "Zondervan's Pictorial Bible Dictionary" in page 275 it also mentions the Fall under the words "Fall, the" and says that The Fall is narrarated in (Get this!) Genesis 3 as an historical fact, not myth. R. A. Torrey, in his book "What the Bible Teaches" also mentions the fall from page 268-270. V. Gilbert Beers' "The Victor Journey through the Bible" on page 12 devotes a who section to the Fall, and calls it (get ready for this) "THE FALL".I really am beginning to think that you are being untruthful here. As I just showed with numerous sources, it is not just my interpretation. Or that humans are Dumb Ashes who screwed it up big time, kinda like how we are messing up the Ozone and the atmosphere with pollutants.Or how humans screwed up North Amerrica during the Ice age by causing a mass extinction, which included Giant Ground Sloths, Mammoths, Mastadons, and Giant Short Faced Bear (See "Land of Lost Monsters" By Ted Oakes)Although Earth has always been with death and disaster, Adam and Eve lived in a earthly paradise that was free from danger. Until... Your interpretation is not the only one. hehe.BTW: Even before the fall, Adam and Eve where not abysmally dumb. In reality they knew quite a bit. Adam could do garden work, give names to different kinds of animals and could speak (Gen 2:15,19,23-24) and Eve could speak very well(Gen 3:2-3)They may not have known good or evil or that they where naked, but they had some advanced intelligence.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I've also wondered if Eve was much larger and more robust than Adam, orif she was very fat or thin. Either way Adam seemed to like what he saw (Gen 2:23-24)

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Oh, Adam and Eve where meant to BREED (Genesis 1:27-28 Gen 2:23-24)Indeed, it might be possible that Eve became Pregnant before the Serpent and fruit incident.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Read around. Adam lay with her and she became pregnant. Where I can't remember but it should answer this question for you too. IIRC it was post-Fall.

Well I used to work with this old black man. Great guy.His story about Adam and Eve, went just like this:You don't know about your black mother Eve?...She had an hour glass figure. It's the reason why black men have long schlongs, so they can reach up under that hour glass figure.To him, and good ass on a woman was only worthy unless you could rest a can of beer on it, by the small of her back.I kid you not.

D'oh (smack myself in head) I just remembered that. Thanks for reminding me

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Whoa dude. Think of all the money you could save on coffee tables if your wife or girlfreind had such a rear LOL

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Uh, no it doesn't. If I say, "you're the shortest person in the room," does that mean everybody in the room is short? You might be the only one under 6'-8". The snake was commpared to the other animals - there is no indication that the other animals suffered a curse. (By the way, the fossil record doesn't show such a "curse", or "fall", does it?) I hope you're aware that the headings and commentaries added to some Bibles are not actually part of the Bible. Time for an attitude adjustment? I didn't say it was. I said it is not a sensible interpretation. Humans caused a mass extinction way back when? During one of several Ice Ages? I'm sure you can find somebody to debate that little tidbit with you. The girl next door is walking around stark naked and Adam doesn't even notice? That is abysmally dumb. By any standard, eating the fruit gave them a huge increase in intelligence (able to see naked women with a single glance).That's not a "fall".

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Yes, it does. For example, If I say "You are suffering above all the others" it implies that the others are suffering, just not as much as the individual in question. uh, yeah. Pretty much knew that. The point I made is that "The Fall" is such a recognised part of Biblical theology and the Bible it'self that Bible Translators Actually put the word above the passage to describe the events that followed. The word "Fall" is not in Genesis 3 if I remember correctly, but that doesn't mean that the chapter doesn't teach the fall of man, Just as the word "Trinity" is never mentioned in the Bible but is nevertheless taught in the Bible(John 1:1, Acts 5:1-4, John 20:17) And the other sources I quoted make much mention of "The Fall", so you really dont have a case.Unless you can show undeniable proof that the events described in Genesis 3 where never called "The fall" or described as such, then you have no foundation for this argument. Anybody who has been to Numerous evangelical Churches and Bible studies (where Bibles are found) would at least once have heared of the Fall or see those words "The Fall" above Genesis chapter 3, especially if they have lived at least half a century or so. When something smells fishy, I state it. Not to be mean or hateful (I wasn't) but to me your story sounds to me not kosher. It just sounds funny that in my short life I have known for many a year about the Fall, while you, who have lived at least half a century, have never heared of it in a Church.Maybe it was the Churches you went to, maybe it was just in that part of the world you live in that the Fall is never mentioned in the local Churches (Canuckistan=Alaska?) Everybody has different levels and types of intelligence. The Physicist can make fun of his Redneck brother-in-law who never went to college and say that he is "abysmally dumb". That is until his car breaks down and he doesn't know anything about fixing cars or trucks...but realizes that his "abysmally Dumb" Brother-in-Law is a Mechanic. The Physicist may know far more about Math and Physics and science than his brother-in-law does, but his Brother in Law would know Far more about auto-mechanics than the egg head Physicist.When it comes to gardening, speaking, rational thought and naming animals, Adam and Eve where smart. When it came to what nakedness was, what good and evil where, and the fact that a talking serpent is not ordinary, they where ignorant. You can be smart in one partuclar field, yet know didly squat in another.This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 08:38 PMThis message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 08:44 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Yet you said "Your interpretation is not the only one."This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 04-26-2006 08:47 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

That's not the way it works. You have to show it is in the Bible before it holds any water. "The Fall" is not a "recognized part" all all theology - nor are the propaganda additions present in every Bible. You are welcome to your belief, but don't expect it to get a free pass here. (And as I mentioned, there is no fossil record of a "fall". It didn't happen in the real world, even if you think it happened in the Bible.) Just watch the Forum Guidelines, that's all - a little friendly advice to keep you out of trouble. *shrug* There are people in many of those churches who think the earth is 6000 years old. Go figure what nonsense people can blame on the Bible. Something else you never heard of in your sheltered life? We're talking naked women here. Have you ever seen a naked woman? They're pretty hard to miss.I'm saying that "they didn't notice that they were naked" ought to be your first clue that the story is not meant to be taken literally.Instead of jumping through hoops trying to justify Adam's idiocy, you should be thinking about what it really means.

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