When Adam met Eve

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Think of all the money you could save on coffee tables if your wife or girlfreind had such a rear

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Women's bodies as furniture.What a lovely thought.

Spoken like a true gnostic or marcionite. Art thou a follower of marcion, perhaps? sigh..."And out of the ground the Lord God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The Tree of Life was in the midst of the Garden, and the tre of the Knowledge of good and evil" Gen 2:9.compare to:"Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of Life and eat, and live forever-" Gen 3:22. Ignorance is bliss. Adam had to bust his ash working for food from a cursed ground that wouldn't yeild much rewards, Eve had to feel horrendous pain in childbirth (Gen 3:16-19)and they had to bury one of their own sons, murdered by another of their sons (Gen 4) Oh yeah, that's a WONDERFUL THING.This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 05-01-2006 03:29 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

If you dont know anything about aut Mechanics, you cant do auto mechanics. It takes knowledge, not experience. You cant teach Physics without knowledge of physics, you cant write without knowledge of writing, and you cant do mechanic work without knowledge of auto mechanics.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

It was a joke Schraf. A joke.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I'm not a follower. You do understand that ignorance is a bad thing, don't you? That's all part of life. Without work, we wouldn't appreciate the value of things. Without pain, we wouldn't appreciate joy. Without death, we can't appreciate life.It is all WONDERFUL.

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Then do you believe what marcion and the Gnostics believed? Just curious where you are coming from. I'm ignorant of how members of my family look when they are naked. I think that is a GOOD ignorance LOL. When you bury a child or grandchild or a loved one, i'll be at the funeral holding a sign saying "CHEER UP RINGO! REMEMBER: IT'S ALL WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!! If you get a disease that leaves your body rotting with age, or a cancer that leaves you shoving quarts of blood in a diaper you have to wear, I'm going to visit you at the hospital with a Rock band singing "what a wonderful world". I wonder how long you would have lasted in spetember 11th in New York saying "aint this wonderful?!!"This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 05-01-2006 05:27 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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It was a joke Schraf. A joke.

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Yeah.I know it was a joke.

I'm not "coming from" anywhere. I am where I am.Can you conceive of learning something that nobody told you to believe? I've been there and done that. You missed your chance to make your sick jokes.What's wonderful is having them while they're alive and remembering them after they're gone.
You can't appreciate life without death.

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i don't think its a gnostic belief, gnostics would think its corrupted, well a lot of em

Nor appreciate spiritual life without once having been spiritually dead. Adam and Eve no doubt appreciated by losing it. They might have been born again however.

I didn't believe in a young Earth, and nobody told me to believe it. That is until I listened to a tape that had a discourse in favor of it. I was smug at first; I felt like laughing at those who believed the Earth was only 5,000 years old. But after listening to the tapes, I became a believer in Young Earth Creationism. Nowdays I dont believe in a Young Earth anymore, and I am very, very glad.I also own several books on Human Evolution (Neanderthal, by Paul Jordan, "Walking with Cavemen" book edition)and I learned a whole lot about a subject that nobody told me to believe. I still dont think that we came from an animal of some sorts, but I learned a whole lot about it. What is sicker, me saying what I said, or someone saying that the misery in life is good? As for me, I'd rather have a existence where my loved ones never died, where war never happened, and where we could enjoy peace and harmony and study the mysteries of existence for eternity and eternity. I was wrong for the wisecracks, and I'm sorry for being harsh (and I am sorry for you loss), but the idea that the way the world is now is "good" is perposterous. Look at people who lost loved ones in war, or who came home from Veitnam only to be called "Baby killers", or been paralyzed from the neck down, or who suffered in concentration camps, or who are dying of AIDS, or who suffered abuse as a Child. Nobody who went through those things would say they where "good". That seems like a worse insult.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Actually, I remember reading that the Gnostics believed that the creation story of Adam and Eve was real, but that the God who made him was a lower deity of evil, called the Deimurge, and sometimes "The Monster of Chaos". They would see Old Testament bad guys such as Balaam, Esau, and even the little serpent in the garden as misunderstood characters. I believe that it was also a gnostic believe that the serpent was not sent by the Devil, but by the higher God of Jesus Christ (Gnosticism was dualistic, like Zorastianism) to get Adam and Eve from the Garden, so that Jesus Christ could come into the Earth and teach people the truth.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I didn't say that misery is good. I said that life overall is good.Without the bad things in life, we'd have no yardstick to measure the good. That's part of what the knowledge of good and evil is about. On the contrary, the way the world is is reality. To say that reality is "preposterous" is... preposterous. Another part of the knowledge of good and evil is the acceptance of reality.When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they had to accept the reality of hard work, the reality of pain, even the reality of death. Those things weren't "invented" because they ate the fruit. It was the author's way of saying that mankind came to an understanding of reality.There can be no life without death. Ask a lion. Predation is bad for the prey but good for the predator.That's the way that everything works in life. Take away all the yardsticks of "good" and all we would have is - in your own word - existence.

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Maybe good, but not perfect. Didn't seem to bother Adam and Eve when they where enjoying life in the Garden. Has that always been the case? Actually, we would have "Nirvanna" without the band of the same name. The good that would come out of that kind of life would be so great that it would be beyond measure. We could walk with God, play with Grizzly Bears and Lions without getting killed, be struck by lighting and enjoy it without fear of harm, and even ride an angel into the cosmos. The possiblilities in a world without sin/death/evil, a world where God and man live in peace with one another are endless. Except in cases where the predator suffers severe or fatal injuries from the prey (Cape Buffalo have a reputation for killing Lions. Warthog tusks can cut through Lion flesh with ease. Gorillas can kill Leopards with a blow to the head. Even the mighty T rex had to be careful when dealing with Triceratops and Ankylosaurus, lest they suffer dino death.)This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 05-02-2006 11:51 AMThis message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 05-02-2006 12:01 PM

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

I also never said "perfect". Please try to keep up. The Bible doesn't say a whole lot about Adam and Eve before they ate the fruit, does it? To claim that their life was "perfect" would be sheer speculation. Once again, the story is an explanation of why there is good and bad in life. It is not a mere historical event. Yes. And what would they eat, pray tell? But how would you even know what the possibilities were, if you didn't have something bad to compare with the good? You have to use the word "without" to describe your fantasy world. Strictly speaking, that would be "attempted predation". In such cases, it is good for the "prey" and bad for the predator.Either way, it all has to balance out. There can't even be a concept of "good" without something to compare it to.

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