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Message 671 of 1725 (598130)
12-28-2010 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 669 by arachnophilia
12-28-2010 5:21 AM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
'fraid I must agree with you.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1333 of 1725 (624881)
07-20-2011 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1332 by Straggler
07-20-2011 2:17 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
The last seems out of place and totally un-evidenced.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1335 of 1725 (624885)
07-20-2011 2:52 PM
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07-20-2011 2:47 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
I'm not, I'm simply saying that what you said is simply an un-evidenced assertion, your personal belief.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1337 of 1725 (624888)
07-20-2011 3:03 PM
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07-20-2011 2:58 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
It was "I mean the conclusion that gods are products of the human mind rather than real entities."
It would be fine if you qualified it as saying "Every claim of a god I have looked at could be explained as a products of the human mind rather than real entities."
But as it stands it is no more valid than an assertion that "All swans are white."

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1339 of 1725 (624890)
07-20-2011 3:10 PM
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07-20-2011 3:08 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Sure, and it would be fine if you qualified it as saying "Every claim of a god I have looked at could be explained as a products of the human mind rather than real entities."
But you didn't.
The rest is irrelevant.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1341 of 1725 (624913)
07-20-2011 4:51 PM
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07-20-2011 4:48 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
You will have to give me an example.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1343 of 1725 (624920)
07-20-2011 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1342 by Panda
07-20-2011 5:01 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Here is Stragglers list.
quote:
I mean conclusions like the conclusion that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old rather than being omphamsitically created last Thursday.
I mean conclusions like the conclusion that gravitational effects are caused by space-time curvature rather than immaterial and undetectable gravity gnomes linking masses together.
I mean the conclusion that evolution actually took place rather than the notion that fossils and genetic evidence were simply planted by Satan to make us believe ungodly things about the creation of species.
I mean the conclusion that gods are products of the human mind rather than real entities.
There is actually evidence that can be used to reach an estimate of the age of the earth, for space-time curvature, and that evolution actually took place.
There is NO evidence that all gods are simply products of the human mind rather than real entities.
It really is that simple.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1345 of 1725 (624927)
07-20-2011 5:22 PM
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07-20-2011 5:19 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Okay, if that makes you happy it makes me happy too.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1347 of 1725 (624932)
07-20-2011 5:31 PM
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07-20-2011 5:29 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
Okay, if that belief makes you happy, it makes me happy.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1349 of 1725 (624936)
07-20-2011 5:47 PM
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07-20-2011 5:41 PM


Re: not making a claim of disproof
You are of course free to think the content of my posts is biased or wrong if you want.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1355 of 1725 (625038)
07-21-2011 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1352 by Straggler
07-21-2011 1:52 AM


Re: Evidence
I suggest that you actually learn to read what I write.
I never denied that there is evidence that humans create gods. In fact I have pointed that out to you before. But that is also irrelevant to what you claimed.
You claimed that all gods are simply the product of the human mind.
If you do not like my position, then fine. I present my position, you present your position.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1357 of 1725 (625043)
07-21-2011 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1351 by Straggler
07-21-2011 1:36 AM


Re: Inductive Reasoning (Again)
Neither of those examples are the quote I have been commenting on and so are irrelevant.
I also do not object to inductive reasoning or ever implied such a thing.
I have said that if you really meant to say that all gods you have examined have been simply the product of human imagination and so YOUR believe is that that can be extended to assert that all gods are the product of human imagination, then I can even agree that is a reasonable, rational nd logical position.
Of course that says absolutely nothing about whether it is a correct position.
As I pointed out to you in the past, I do not believe there can ever be subjective evidence for GOD or that it is likely that while we are still alive we can even find any OBJECTIVE evidence for GOD.
Look again at your quotes.
quote:
I mean conclusions like the conclusion that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old rather than being omphamsitically created last Thursday.
I mean conclusions like the conclusion that gravitational effects are caused by space-time curvature rather than immaterial and undetectable gravity gnomes linking masses together.
I mean the conclusion that evolution actually took place rather than the notion that fossils and genetic evidence were simply planted by Satan to make us believe ungodly things about the creation of species.
I mean the conclusion that gods are products of the human mind rather than real entities.
We can find both subjective and objective evidence related to the age of the earth, gravitaional effects, evolution.
The other things you mention, omphalism, gnomes, Satan, and god are simply outside any scientific testing.
The first three examples you listed are things that can be tested.
The second group of things are all impossible to test by any means I am aware of.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 1359 of 1725 (625046)
07-21-2011 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1358 by Modulous
07-21-2011 8:48 AM


Re: Inductive Reasoning (Again)
Mod writes:
jar writes:
Of course that says absolutely nothing about whether it is a correct position.
Exactly. It makes one wonder that people spend so much time trying to discredit an unfalsified theory. Nobody is asserting that the theory is an incontrevertible truth. Indeed, it is often stressed that it might false.
How any individual chooses to deal with a theory that makes predictions, is not falsified, and has some supporting evidence is entirely up to them. It seems that one response is to critically misunderstand the basic fundamentals of the theory and rail against it.
I too have no idea why anyone wastes time trying to either prove GOD exists or to refute that GOD exists. It is a futile effort and IMHO really silly.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1361 of 1725 (625049)
07-21-2011 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1360 by Straggler
07-21-2011 9:00 AM


Re: Inductive Reasoning (Again)
We have enough evidence to reach a conclusion on the first three.
There is no way that I can see to reach any conclusion about GOD. That is and will remain simply a matter of belief.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1364 of 1725 (625054)
07-21-2011 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1363 by Straggler
07-21-2011 9:03 AM


Re: Inductive Reasoning (Again)
You really can't read can you?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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