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Message 666 of 1725 (595553)
12-09-2010 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 665 by DrJones*
12-09-2010 4:31 AM


Re: A scientific flaw in Buzsaw's argument
DrJones* writes:
One of my problems is with the SM position...
He's also confusing the scientific method with some sort of ideology.
i wonder what his favourite SM position is? personally, i'm not into that kind of thing, but whatever floats your boat i guess.

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Message 669 of 1725 (598110)
12-28-2010 5:21 AM
Reply to: Message 668 by xongsmith
12-28-2010 4:56 AM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
can i bet against myself here?
*headdesk headdesk headdesk*

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Message 678 of 1725 (598162)
12-28-2010 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 677 by Omnivorous
12-28-2010 8:38 PM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
to be fair, people are slinging mud at him too.
Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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Message 680 of 1725 (598168)
12-28-2010 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 679 by Omnivorous
12-28-2010 8:50 PM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
Omnivorous writes:
True--but the most you've done is note that he doesn't seem to have read the Bible.
But you haven't offered personal criticism in the complete absence of critical thought about the text.
and that he doesn't seem to understand the basics of logical argumentation. i try not to actually get to the point of ad hominem, where attack substitutes for argument. light ridicule after repeated argument is about as far as i will go. but i understand why people jump on him.
note also his attack on me here. it would almost sting a bit if most of it didn't so aptly apply to him.
I appreciate your spirit of fairness, though.
yes, well, i'm going to try to not get banned for 3 years because of it.
Edited by arachnophilia, : WHOOPS!

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Message 682 of 1725 (598173)
12-28-2010 10:40 PM
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12-28-2010 10:27 PM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
oh, uh, whoops, sorry! i had just posted in response to dawn like 8 times, and i guess the fingers just type on their own.
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Message 685 of 1725 (598719)
01-02-2011 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 683 by xongsmith
12-29-2010 1:57 PM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
looks like dwise1 is up next, and on a topic more directly appropriate to the thread. i'm enjoying his posts; this should be good.

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Message 688 of 1725 (599087)
01-04-2011 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 686 by xongsmith
01-04-2011 5:55 PM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
glad someone caught it! i also posted the original statement in Message 554 but i suspect that one was too easy to miss, and not repetitive enough to catch anyone's attention. and it's not like dawn reads my posts anyways.
i've just decided that instead of trying to decipher nonsense, i'll just respond in kind. i wish i could take credit for this particular nonsense, but i can't. blame anon.
philosoraptor!

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Message 691 of 1725 (599101)
01-04-2011 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 689 by Panda
01-04-2011 9:22 PM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
Panda writes:
If you place it so that it can't be avoided, then DB will reply to it - as if it is not nonsense.
i'm not convinced. i know i can get him to respond (usually), but it always seems to be as if what i said actually was nonsense. something is not clicking there, and i'm not sure what. i suspect it's not entirely willful, too. i've seen a general lack of reading comprehension throughout the thread -- and tons of faulty assumptions about what something must have actually said -- even about the things that dawn really probably does care about understanding.
i'm starting to suspect it's a tl;dr thing.
i'm considering finding some really decent apologetics that argue precisely what he's getting at, and posting it in response to him as if it were really a rebuttal, and seeing what happens next. i'm willing to bet i could make him argue with cs lewis, or justin martyr.
edit: i don't mean to mock dawn, here. i'm genuinely curious where the confusion comes from, both in his posts, and his ability to process mine (and others).
Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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Message 693 of 1725 (599115)
01-05-2011 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 692 by Panda
01-04-2011 11:33 PM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
Panda writes:
IME, it is not simply TL : DR.
I have previously made a short evangelistic-sounding nonsense post to Dawn.
He first supported what I posted. I then pointed out that he couldn't read English. He then posted a rebuttal to my initial post. And then he posted insults.
interesting. do you think he got it on the second (or third) pass?
At any point he could have gone back and read my initial post and torn it to shreds for being utter gibberish.
But instead he could only guess what it was I had written.
i don't think it's guessing. maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part, but sometimes it seems like what he's saying is actually related to what i'm saying... it's just usually the same point i was refuting, repeated. short memory, perhaps? that can't be it either. he clearly remembers some stuff -- he went and quoted me from another thread when he thought he had caught me in a contradiction (because he made a faulty assumption about what i said). i would say it's selective attention (ie: tuning stuff out that disagrees) but you mentioned he seems to have tuned out the stuff that seemingly agreed, too.
dyslexia, maybe?
Firstly, I would like to suggest that the confusion is not from your side.
no, i know. i've tried to be very clear, to the point of clarifying in simple declarative statements, and then repeating those clarifications over and over.
what i mean is, it's not just an output problem. it's not simply that he's dropping words, repeating words, screwing up grammar, or confusing punctuation. hell, i've probably done that a few times in this post already; i need sleep. it happens, and i'm not trying to make fun of him for that.
it's clearly something that's getting in the way of both output and input. he's confusing stuff on the way in, and confusing stuff out the way out. this can sometimes happen, oddly, with really smart people; their brains run faster than their fingers or eyeballs, and the brain fills in the nonsense gaps with sense. i frequently have this problem when i proof-read my own work: i know what i meant to write, so that's what i read instead of what i actually wrote.
i don't think this is what's going on here, but i can't be sure. if that was the case, he'd probably follow logic a bit better. perhaps the church has simply done a number on him? he does have a higher vocabulary than you might expect. i never thought in a million years he'd use the word "exegesis" (nevermind correctly) in a post.
Many people (including moderators) have questioned his poor grasp of English, but Dawn has never acknowledged it.
He is 50+ years old; educated and living in America.
I cannot understand how he can be unaware of his functional illiteracy.
he denies that english is a second language. that could easily do it, and that was, iirc, what everyone suspected. fwiw, i believe him. his posts do not read to me like someone who learned english later in life. (the gibberish i initially posted was, i believe, originally written by someone japanese)
Even if you pointed out that he was arguing against CS Lewis, I doubt it would mean anything to Dawn.
He would just say that Mr. Lewis was wrong.
probably. but it would amuse me. of course, so does the fact that he's arguing against the bible. but whatever. it would be more about seeing whether it would get past his comprehension blockage.
Edited by arachnophilia, : i told you there'd be a mistake somewhere...

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Message 695 of 1725 (599209)
01-05-2011 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 694 by Panda
01-05-2011 5:18 AM


Re: Dawn Bertot/arachnophilia on deconversion
Panda writes:
Bear in mind, he's been on this forum for a long time - I've learnt many new words myself.
except for just recently, he seems to mostly know the meanings of words. i would say more than 50%. closer to 100%. i don't think it's a vocabulary thing.
Dawn seems to think that it is not him; it is everyone else.
general rule of thumb, for life. if it seems like everyone else is doing something strange, it's actually you.

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Message 696 of 1725 (599236)
01-05-2011 11:26 PM


frako, on hominid evolution
technically, his post was a complete and accurate answer to the question asked in the title.

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Message 698 of 1725 (599249)
01-06-2011 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 697 by Coyote
01-05-2011 11:55 PM


Re: frako, on hominid evolution
Coyote writes:
Complete and accurate answers aren't always appropriate.
oh, i know. evidence might have been nice, too. this wasn't a serious quibble, i just thought it was amusing.
In grad school I had a take-home exam which included a question of why a particular professor (very emeritus! at a very high-brow university) took a certain approach in his recent book.
My professor expected a lot of erudite bs for an answer.
Taking a direct approach, I called the very emeritus professor and asked him. He gave me a two sentence answer and I put that in my exam and cited it as "personal communication," giving the date.
My professor didn't like that--he expected a lot of erudite bs for an answer--it was a graduate seminar after all! I received no credit for that answer at all! (But he gave me far more on the other questions than I deserved, so I got an A on the exam and in the class. That professor and I became good friends and argued about that answer for a decade or more!)
college! (or, how to say very little in quite a lot of space)
i was in a literature/film class once, and we had to read assigned novels. we'd then watch the film, and discuss the relative merits of artistic decisions and how they change between the different media. the class met once a week, and we'd have a new novel/film each week -- i don't normally enjoy reading novels that quickly, and sometimes i frankly didn't have time what with other classes. (who the hell am i kidding here?)
in any case, we had to write an extremely short essay on each novel each week, and we could choose any aspect of the book to write on. anything, you name it. so one week, i emailed the prof,
"any aspect, you say?"
"anything."
so i wrote on how that week's book was bound. and what the cover looked like.
full fucking marks.

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Message 699 of 1725 (599484)
01-07-2011 6:02 PM


i think we broke dawn. it's been a couple of days, and i'm getting worried.

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Message 701 of 1725 (599494)
01-07-2011 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 700 by Blue Jay
01-07-2011 9:33 PM


until they get banned anyways. sometimes, i miss ray martinez. he was fun.

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Message 704 of 1725 (599592)
01-09-2011 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 702 by Dawn Bertot
01-08-2011 8:07 PM


Dawn Bertot writes:
commedy of errors
lol.
They ask for something (matthews inspiration claims) and i provided it without question
Something they said i would not be able to provide. When I clearly did that very thing, they resort to what they always do, "but but, now show me this"
Always just one more thing
you didn't read my post. you didn't read the verse you cited. neither says what you think it says.
Besides this he could not even go by his own rules
again, you have not shown that you have understood my rules, an are thus consistently misrepresenting them.
He is afraid to answer that question and more importantly he knows it is crucial to the question at hand
All of that adding up to no objectivity on his or Pandas part at all
How about you Bluejay, Isa from God or man?
okay dawn. let's assume that isaiah is 100% inspired by god, literally, and god himself wrote every word of it in his own hand.
why should i think the same of matthew? you have never given me a good reason to make the jump from one to the other, even if you do actually agree that one is inspired. "it says so" isn't a good reason. and it doesn't say so.

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