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Fosdick 
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Message 69 of 341 (488163)
11-08-2008 12:03 PM


Infrastructure
I scanned this thread quickly for the word "infrastructure" but couldn't find it. Yet it is so important that we address its dire condition. I wonder if BHO will mirror FDR by mounting a dual attack on unemployment and our weakening infrastructure. Could there be ghosts of WPA and CCC lurking just around the corner?
”FTF

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Message 83 of 341 (488266)
11-09-2008 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
11-08-2008 7:37 PM


Re: Important Question To Answer Here
Buz writes:
Rahm Emanuel fit's the Obama ticket nicely. He's tough, feisty, intelligent, efficient and conveniently for Obama, a Jew. This sends a deceptive message to Israel and the world that Obama will not undermine Israel by favoring their enemies.
But does it? No POTUS is going to favor Israel's enemies. And yet in one way he should. I still think a Palestinian state is the key to peace in the Middle East, and that Israel needs to give up lots and lots of kitty litter to achieve it. BHO would score big with me if he pushed Israel to accept a Palestinian state, and to share Jerusalem with all of its historically valid occupants. (Neither side of this issue is free of terrorists.)
”FTF

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Message 131 of 341 (488411)
11-10-2008 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by NosyNed
11-10-2008 5:02 PM


Re: Not qualified
NosyNed writes:
You, Buz, are not in any way qualified to comment on what Jesus was like.
And who qualified you to make that judgment?
”FTF

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Message 140 of 341 (488432)
11-11-2008 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by NosyNed
11-10-2008 10:39 PM


Re: Not qualified
NosyNed writes:
I am prepared to make moral judgments.
You may think you're "prepared," but I ask again: How are YOU qualified to make those moral judgments? I have made enough observations of your posts to conclude that you are as least as ignorant, fearful, and hateful as Buz is.
”FTF

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Message 143 of 341 (488436)
11-11-2008 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by kuresu
11-11-2008 11:13 AM


Re: Not qualified
kuresu writes:
If so, what qualifies you to make that judgement?
Hypocrisy, much?
Let me ask you this: Do you really think it was fair for NosyNed to say in Message 129:
quote:
You, Buz, are not in any way qualified to comment on what Jesus was like.
If you do then we are standing on different planets. How would you like it if someone said: "You, kuresu, are not in any way qualified to comment on what Jesus was like." That would be like saying: You, kuresu, are not in any way qualified to comment on what Bugs Bunny was like."
”FTF

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Fosdick 
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Message 145 of 341 (488438)
11-11-2008 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Rahvin
11-11-2008 11:34 AM


Re: Not qualified
Rahvin writes:
What qualifications are necessary to make moral judgments? I'm perfectly able to determine that racism, religious intolerance, [removed for survival purposes] and other flavors of bigotry are immoral, in the same way I can determine that murder, theft, rape, and other actions are immoral...Buz is a bigot. Plain and simple.
I think you have massively misunderstood me. I don't think you understand the function of dialectics and the antithesis. You dabble only the surface of a deep philosophical lake. Well, snorkel on down here and learn something about how to examine all sides of an issue. There's much more to it than a bunch of stupid hysteria about bigotry.
After all, I mock people who make irrational statements, and have an extreme distaste for all religion in general and Christianity in particular.
I don't suppose you would understand that I do the very same thing.
”FTF

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Message 146 of 341 (488439)
11-11-2008 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by kuresu
11-11-2008 11:56 AM


Re: Not qualified
kuresu writes:
So, what makes you qualified to make moral judgements about Ned (or anyone)?
Because I am amoral? Can you to imagine a judgment being made without invoking morality? I can.
”FTF

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Message 149 of 341 (488446)
11-11-2008 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by kuresu
11-11-2008 12:22 PM


Re: Not qualified
kuresu writes:
That's an interesting position to take. This suggests that any moral judgement, then, is incapable of being rendered. How can you judge morality without morals?
All moral judgments are fueled by an rational belief in mutual exclusion. A philosopher avoids this mistake, per Will Durant: "The first lesson of philosophy is that we may all be mistaken."
”FTF

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Message 161 of 341 (488509)
11-12-2008 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by FliesOnly
11-12-2008 6:57 AM


Re: Not qualified
FliesOnly writes:
So Jesus is a fictitious cartoon character. Boy, it certainly is nice to hear a "christian" finally admit it.
You must have me confused with someone who believes that Jesus was the Son of God. However, I do admire both Jesus and Bugs for their durability in Hollywood.
”FTF

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Message 213 of 341 (489107)
11-23-2008 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-05-2008 9:07 AM


Will BHO decriminalize marijuana?
Buz writes:
What can we expect to eventually become reality according to the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress:
Decriminalizing marijuana, I should think. The War On Drugs can continue, but he would do the states a big favor by decriminalizing pot. Out here in the Pacific Northwest there is a very lively agriculture of marijuana. I've heard of tax revenue estimates for the state of Washington from the legalization and sales of marijuana to be so high it could fund the entire state's educational system. NORML makes bigger claims than this. For the sake of the desperately needed tax revenue, and for the sake of relief in law enforcement, courts and penal institutions, I predict BHO/Congress will see the green side of this issue and act accordingly.
And smoking marijuana to get high is not the only use of hemp. There could be a hemp agriculture and industry to as replace wood fiber in paper pulping, and to use it for a variety of other things, including biofuels. So much fuss over a simple weed, and one that could be so profitable for all concerned.
”FTF

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Fosdick 
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Message 227 of 341 (489276)
11-25-2008 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Buzsaw
11-25-2008 7:33 PM


Re: Will BHO decriminalize marijuana?
Buz writes:
Fosdick I'm 73 and well remember the days in the US when pot users were few and far between, usually illegal or transient Mexicans, bums and the lowest class non-productive citizens.
Yeah, those welfare sucking low lifes! Let's all get drunk and go out and kick the crap out of 'em!
Buz, at your age you ought to read this article that DA posted in Message 217. For the sake of your heath and your mental longevity, old man, maybe you ought to go out and get hold of some weed.
Dull potheads are irrational and often dangerous, too often problematic to any culture of civilization.
I saw a couple of potheads on the street the other day. They attacked an old lady, beat her up and took her purse, then they smashed in the windows of the hardware store and stomped a cat. Dangerous fuckers!
”FTF

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Message 333 of 341 (500507)
02-26-2009 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Buzsaw
02-26-2009 7:09 PM


Re: OH NO
Buz writes:
You have it right, Percy. New Testament Christianity is the only religion I know of that is not dangerous. The teachings of Jesus and his apostles bear that out.
That citizens of Protestant Christian US have been the least oppressed by their own governments bears that out as well.
Buz,
Here’s an argument for why New Testament Christianity is dangerous, because its modern form arrived as Calvinism. Calvinism, according to Max Weber, is at the heart of acquisitive capitalism, the greedy and corruptive kind we have today. If you get rich that means you are one of the electi, chosen by God to succeed, according to Calvinism. And look at where that electi principle has taken us today: to the dire straits of economic chaos. So, I go along with Weber and blame New Testament Christianity for turning healthy capitalism into acquisitive capitalismthe kind that will do us in. As such, it's dangerous.

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Fosdick 
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Message 340 of 341 (500568)
02-27-2009 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 335 by Buzsaw
02-26-2009 8:37 PM


Re: OH NO
Buz writes:
Fosdick, this is a strawman. It is not Biblical NT Christianity. Jesus or his apostles never promised worldly riches to anyone for being a Christian. It was the opposite. He said his followers would be hated of the world and would suffer persecution for their faith.
Well, that's my point: the of intent of NT Christianity was corrupted by Calvinism. Jesus would never have approved of it; NT Christianity was supposed to follow his teachings and not encourage the sanctioning of acquisitive capitalism. The electi principle of Calvinism overthrew the principe of a camel passing through the eye of a needle. Didn't it? Where does the NT say that the rich will inherit the earth?
This is why I think Obama needs to keep his distance from modern Christianity, while retaining the true message of Jesus, which is not at all favorable to the money changers.

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