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caligula
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Message 1 of 30 (28742)
01-09-2003 10:45 AM


Is it a coincidence that he happened to be the only dissenting vote in the Senate against the war in Iraq ?

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gene90
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Message 2 of 30 (28766)
01-09-2003 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by caligula
01-09-2003 10:45 AM


Yes, I tend to think that is coincidence.

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John
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Message 3 of 30 (28773)
01-09-2003 10:18 PM
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01-09-2003 7:32 PM


quote:
Originally posted by gene90:
Yes, I tend to think that is coincidence.
Me too. It would make no sense to assassinate -- as it seems you imply -- someone over a senate vote that makes no difference to the outcome.
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caligula
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Message 4 of 30 (28798)
01-10-2003 9:13 AM
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01-09-2003 10:18 PM


Aside from being the dissent vote,there was a lot more to Paul Wellstone.Being a democrat, his ideas although great and innovating for some,infuriated the republicans greatly.I believe there's a lot more than meet the eye.(check Google seach engine for info.)

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John
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Message 5 of 30 (28803)
01-10-2003 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by caligula
01-10-2003 9:13 AM


quote:
Originally posted by caligula:
Aside from being the dissent vote,there was a lot more to Paul Wellstone.Being a democrat, his ideas although great and innovating for some,infuriated the republicans greatly.I believe there's a lot more than meet the eye.(check Google seach engine for info.)
The burden of proof in on you. I don't see anything that would have made the man a target for assination.
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RedVento
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Message 6 of 30 (28807)
01-10-2003 9:32 AM
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01-10-2003 9:24 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by caligula:
Aside from being the dissent vote,there was a lot more to Paul Wellstone.Being a democrat, his ideas although great and innovating for some,infuriated the republicans greatly.I believe there's a lot more than meet the eye.(check Google seach engine for info.)
The burden of proof in on you. I don't see anything that would have made the man a target for assination.

It really makes no sense. If he was, and there was any kind of evidence for this the Democrats could have garnered great support, but instead they alianated the swing vote with their pompous display at his memorial, giving the Republicans the push they needed to take the state. It would have been an extremely high risk move to assasinate him in order to have the Republicans take his seat, in fact if not for the Democrats appalling behaviour a Republican would most likely not have won.

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John
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Message 7 of 30 (28812)
01-10-2003 10:02 AM
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01-10-2003 9:32 AM


quote:
Originally posted by RedVento:
It really makes no sense. If he was, and there was any kind of evidence for this the Democrats could have garnered great support, but instead they alianated the swing vote with their pompous display at his memorial, giving the Republicans the push they needed to take the state. It would have been an extremely high risk move to assasinate him in order to have the Republicans take his seat, in fact if not for the Democrats appalling behaviour a Republican would most likely not have won.
Right. Exactly how I feel. Such an assasination makes no sense on so many levels....
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caligula
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Message 8 of 30 (28816)
01-10-2003 11:39 AM
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01-10-2003 10:02 AM


Well,maybe I'm wrong,but I still thinf that chances of that accident happening ,to that particular senator,in a extremely important political race (and extremely close too),holding almost subversive opposite views with regards to the Status Quo,a well-known dissenting voice,and above all with not only excellent chances of winning but with a long career still ahead...I don't know ,but the odds of that happening to anyone ... must be billions to one!

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RedVento
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Message 9 of 30 (28819)
01-10-2003 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by caligula
01-10-2003 11:39 AM


And he was flying in a small plane, in bad weather..
The odds just went up.
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John
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Message 10 of 30 (28858)
01-11-2003 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by caligula
01-10-2003 11:39 AM


quote:
Originally posted by caligula:
Well,maybe I'm wrong,but I still thinf that chances of that accident happening ,to that particular senator,in a extremely important political race (and extremely close too),holding almost subversive opposite views with regards to the Status Quo,a well-known dissenting voice,and above all with not only excellent chances of winning but with a long career still ahead...I don't know ,but the odds of that happening to anyone ... must be billions to one!
Life is so complicated that you could pick any event and 'prove' remarkable strings of coincidence. Try it. The trick is figuring out causal relationships.
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caligula
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Message 11 of 30 (28867)
01-11-2003 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by John
01-11-2003 12:46 PM


yap! and life is so complicated that even causal effects will be full of coincidence or shall I say irony...( I like the taste of the theorical edge conspiracy better)

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John
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Message 12 of 30 (28870)
01-11-2003 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by caligula
01-11-2003 2:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by caligula:
yap! and life is so complicated that even causal effects will be full of coincidence or shall I say irony...( I like the taste of the theorical edge conspiracy better)
If you like the taste of shite that's your business.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 13 of 30 (28881)
01-11-2003 6:46 PM


From a Duluth, MN philosophy professor:
http://www.assassinationscience.com/PaulWellstone.pdf
There has been subsequent articles in the Duluth Reader Weekly, but they don't seem to have reached this website yet.
Moose

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gene90
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Message 14 of 30 (28922)
01-12-2003 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Minnemooseus
01-11-2003 6:46 PM


If air travel were as safe as that article implies, then planes would never go down.
Wellstone's untimely end is a great target for conspiracy buffs because (1) he had a sort of heroic quality of dissent from the norm (2) his death was sudden and violent (3) it happened during a time in US history that when things seem uncertain. And there are those who like him so much they have to find something greater than a pilot error or a bad engine to rationalize his death. I figured this would be conspiracy fodder from when it happened, it just took surprisingly long for it to trickle down to here, where I am now hearing the conspiracy theory for the first time.
I still don't see how Wellstone was at all dangerous. At worst, he might have one day been a Democratic presidential nominee.
Oh by the way, I wanted to point out that that article claims that the evil Republican government is lieing to us about 9/11, homeland security, and Iraq, and since Wellstone was a liberal he's a convenient martyr for their political views. Having one's heroes killed by the enemy (rather than by bad weather), especially if he is allegedly killed for being a liberal, is always good PR.
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caligula
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Message 15 of 30 (29121)
01-14-2003 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by gene90
01-12-2003 4:28 PM


yea! and I saw something in hypocrecy.org about this very subject,as I was researching on "another conspiracy",I 'll post it in here unless I get killed first,then you'll know what the real deal was....lol

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