Saddam's Execution could become a reality?

The reason that Saddam being executed comes into the picture is from an article from yahoo.com, that I just read.http://news.yahoo.com/..._afp/iraqexecutesaddam_050828185600But if this is a real prospect, the Iraqi president has bravely taken a stance that a lot of America may be against unfortunately. He says in the article:

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Should a death sentence be issued against the former dictator, "I will not sign it," he said.

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"I am a man of principles. I cannot forego my principles for the sake of my post. If there is a clash between the post and the principles, I will give up the post and keep the principles," Talabani said in a snippet aired in advance of the full interview broadcast.

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This article leaves me with a question, about Jalal Talabani.Was he put in office through USA intervention?

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Does anyone know about Talibani?That statement makes me think that he is a great leader, but he could be a US forced president, which would most likely make me think otherwise.

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More or less. He was appointed by the US as the head of the Interim Iraq Governing Council. He was elected as President of Iraq by the National Assembly following that body's reformation during Iraq's most recent elections.

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More or less. He was appointed by the US as the head of the Interim Iraq Governing Council. He was elected as President of Iraq by the National Assembly following that body's reformation during Iraq's most recent elections.

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Oh man that ruins everything. Automatically now I don't trust him even with such a sweet quote. Could be another Ngo Dinh Diem.

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You don't trust him because he was put on the IIG (Iraqi Interim Government) council by the CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority)?Do you not trust anyone that was put on the IIG council by the CPA?If not, how would you have selcted individuals to run the IIG?This message has been edited by Tal, 08-30-2005 08:51 AM

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

What happened to the Mayor of baghdad? I heard that he was kicked out office by Gunmen?But I cannot find any follow-up stories?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 30-Aug-2005 09:00 AM

Full Story HereI found this quote noteworthy. The old mayor is currently living with US forces. /agreeLet's see how this plays out. I'm sure this is high on the state department's list of things to do lately.

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

The thing is that we use the

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IIG (Iraqi Interim Government) council by the CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority)

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to do things for us, and for the benefit of the USA, sometimes hardly taking into consideration the lives of those under the authorities. Consider the self-immolations in Vietnam under a ruler of South Vietname who we put on top with Catholic wishes, the people protested his rule with self-immolations, and various other protests until the people staged a coup and killed him. Our fight against supposed communism made life for those in South Vietnam horrible.That's why I stopped trusting our government with putting leaders in other countries to power. This message has been edited by prophex, 08-30-2005 01:20 PM

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I didn't ask for your opinion on whether or not the US "controls" the IIG. But since you bring this up, they don't. I've seen it first hand.Now, answer my question.How would you go about setting up the new government? You do know it is an INTERIM government right? They will eventually elect their own leaders.*EDIT*And what is with the photo? I promise I can post more graphic ones. Here is a suicide bomber that didn't quite make it to his target.*REEDIT*Don't want to scare anyone with the pic, so I'll just link it. Inside the Green ZoneThis message has been edited by Tal, 08-30-2005 01:40 PMThis message has been edited by Tal, 08-30-2005 01:41 PM

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I didn't ask for your opinion on whether or not the US "controls" the IIG. But since you bring this up, they don't. I've seen it first hand.

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Tell me about your first hand experience. It was created by the U.S. We put leaders into office there.

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How would you go about setting up the new government?

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I can see you were in the Army, what gives you the right to kill people, change their way of life, and destroy their culture, to fit it the way you want it, or the way we have it?Empathy is non-existant as we reign terror on others. - A line from a song I wrote.This message has been edited by prophex, 08-30-2005 01:43 PM

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You are avoiding the question...again.How would you set up the new government? Didn't some middle eastern gentlement try this on Sept 11?

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

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what gives you the right to kill people, change their way of life, and destroy their culture, to fit it the way you want it, or the way we have it?

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Didn't some middle eastern gentlement try this on Sept 11?

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No, they were fighting against your occupation in their holy cities for oil... Hey, you were in the army, maybe I should blame you for 9/11.

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How would you set up the new government?

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I already told you, I don't screw with other peoples cultures/economy/gov't.

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Really? What cities were we occupying for oil? So you aren't interested in debating any points and have no ideas of your own. You just want to whine.But to answer your original question:All Iraqi politicians are in office "through USA intervetion."More specifically, he was named as President of Iraq by the 275 member Iraqi National Assembly.This message has been edited by Tal, 08-30-2005 02:51 PM

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But to answer your original question:

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All Iraqi politicians are in office "through USA intervetion."

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More specifically, he was named as President of Iraq by the 275 member Iraqi National Assembly.

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Wow, takes a while with you eh?I would hate to have another country essentially in control of my homeland. I'm sure you have no problem with that, as long as our occupation doesn't effect you, like most Americans. But these people have suffered through our interventions throughout the world, namely Iraq, Vietnam, Israel help... And the list goes on, you seem to be oblivious to our long history of realism.

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So you aren't interested in debating any points and have no ideas of your own. You just want to whine.

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Um, exuse me but aren't you the one with exactly the same views to the majority of America? You are the one with no ideas of your own, and even worse, you ignore historical facts, because they make you feel uncomfortable. Well tell that to the families of those who have died in Iraq defending their country from foriegn and unilateral intervention. You don't even feel for them, step out of your skin for a while, experience the pain that these people feel. You know they are being bombed while us Americans are sitting down watching it all happen on CNN. Bin Laden exploited people's feelings of their human rights being breached by the USA on 9/11. Bin Laden is no hero, but for those that hijacked the planes that day, they can rightly be called freedom fighters. U.S. troops stationed in Saudi Arabia angered Islamic terrorists, claiming that the 2 most important holy cities are occupied, Mecca and Medina. The backing of Israel, supplying weapons, and supporting financially the death of possibly thousands of Palestinians, and the outpost of what they call western imperialism in Jeruselum the 3rd most important city to Islam.From a website I found when I was at Vassar for a summer scholars group, http://www.islamfortoday.com. Not as biased as the title might tell you.

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In 1953 a CIA coup replaced the democratic government of Muhammad Mossadeq in Iran with a monarchy so that Iran could become a client serving US interests in the Middle East. In Algeria the west financed and legitimized a military coup that prevented Islamists from coming to power after winning an election. In the 1960s, and again in the 1990s Turkey forced Islamists out of power, even after they had won popular mandates, with the tacit support from the U.S. Even now all that American establishment can think of, as an alternate to the Taliban in Afghanistan is the reinstatement of a senile monarch, not the establishment of democracy.

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So now what we are involved in, the war on terror, has been started with our actions of greed in the Middle East. You have heard the cliche, "we gave the terrorists the weapons", thats not even half of it.The death of thousands of Americans on September 11th was inhumane, unIslamic, and horrible. But as Americans, we must see that these attacks were because of our policies in the Middle East, and are easily justifiable by the numbers of deaths that we can be attributed to there.

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Really? What cities were we occupying for oil?

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Mecca, Medina. These cities are precious to people who believe in Islam.From Wikipedia:

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America's presence in Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia has been one source of discontent that has served as an excuse to Islamic fundamentalists to commit acts of violence. Even as the U.S. downscales its presence and existing bases (e.g. Saudi Arabia), it is not clear that the U.S. presence in Iraq will be anything but de-stabilising because many in the Muslim world resent the "infidel" presence in the Middle East, using this as a means of inciting the disenfranchised in their populations to violence. On the other hand, a stable democracy in Iraq could have a stabilising influence. Clearly, there was a gamble there, and only the post-war period will prove which viewpiont was correct.

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