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Ben! Member (Idle past 1418 days) Posts: 1161 From: Hayward, CA Joined: |
Chris,
I learned today though. In That you aren't allowed to use a word with many meanings until you are instructed how to use it by another man, with another philosophy, that you know about math. Come on man, this is just a practical thing about language. You either have to use words like other people, or you have to KNOW that you're using them differently from their common meaning, and point it out. That's simply practical usage of language. I saw your posts, and I thought you had some good points that I agree with. But your use of the word "logic" is very different than what is usually used here. Recognize that and be more careful. Then you can get your point across. It's the job of the few to recognize the tendencies of the many, and to work within them. The other way is to just run away, escape. But you're here
There is no place for logic in the discussion of God. What do you mean "logic" ? If you mean "use of the scientific method" I agree. If you mean "deductive logic" then I partially agree. If you mean "logic of the heart" then I disagree.
I see people here and it's a tragedy. They can't see the spirit in their life in their world I don't think this has to do with belief in God(s). Belief in God(s) is one way to find spirit in your life. Finding "spirit" (i.e. hope, future, VALUE) in the world alone can be done, is done. People within the church fail to really find the spirit of God, and people who don't believe in God also fail to find the "spirit" for living. I agree with you that it's a tragedy when that happens. But I disagree with who you direct the criticism at. And I disagree with your take on how to handle it--let's do something about it.
People criticize or demean those that don't adhere directly to the evidence are prejudice like racists. Surprisingly enough, I don't think you're too far off here. However...
I do not adhere to science, I do not adhere to the evidence. In the domain of God, I understand. I think that's an OK choice. But to ignore the utility of the scientific method in developing technology, medical treatments, etc. is silly. It's a useful method. Furthermore you can't argue against scientific results on belief. There's no discussion to be had. Argument is based on ... evidence and logic. Don't try to prove that God exists and don't try to prove that the earth is young, or that evolution didn't happen. Belief cannot walk into this domain. If you walk into this domain with belief, then you're going to get made fun of. Because you're going to try and use half of the methods of science and logic to go against true, hard science... it's called pseudo-science, and it's laughable.
How dare you define what's real! What is ignorant? What is worth believing in? Don't take it as definition. Take it as an idea. Nobody should define what is real, only to offer a perspective. Which is why you made a big mistake by saying
You have no idea. The way you say it sounds to me like YOU think you have the truth. Dude, you can testify to your truth, you can tell people about your truth, but JUST like you complained above, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. How dare you define what's real? Watch Phatboy. Watch Percy. Really, so many characters here. Jar, Dan, etc., etc. Not that I want to discuss specific people, especially since I don't know so much about people here. But I think they're in the position you want to be. That is, filled with spirit that can testify, but filled in the wisdom that does not make demands on the beliefs of others. But like I said, I do agree, it's not everybody. It has nothing to do with belief in a God though bro.
I refuse to deny God. Because I see God in you, I should be scorned and laughed at? Nope. Look at your brothers, some of them laugh at those who don't have God. Do peopel deserve to be laughed at because they see spirit in you without seeing your God?
all I wanted to do was to stick up for people losing their beliefs because the evidence is swaying them. It won't enhance your experience, it'll dwindle it to nothing, and if you lose the hope you have nothing. But the conclusion is not that evidence and science are worthless. The conclusion is that, for those who cannot find spirit without God, evidence and science are worthless for finding spirit.
if you lose the hope you have nothing. You become man made. But the fact is you were made by God, you been perfectly created. There's no errors in it or imperfections because there is a reason to it. That existentialist was wrong. Beware of using your logic. Logic is a human tool. Make sure you apply it where appropriate.
It's not your fault that your life is bad. It's everybody elses. It's beyond your control, do your best ot not lose hope and keep your head up so you can witness God when he decides to cheer you up. I don't even think your God would agree with this. You're resposible for your own life, for your own happiness. God doesn't cheer you up. He asks you to cheer yourself up. Those who have God should never despair. How can you despair in the face of God? .... OK, I have to finish here for today. I took it on Phatboy's word that it is worthwhile to read your rant. I hope I can learn more about you by reading your reply.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Hi everyone,
I wasn't expected this topic to be accepted and put here. I was contemplating amending it a little bit. I was going to share this quote which I will share with you all now: don't criticize what you can't understand.-Bob Dylan listen to phil collins and nas |
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Happier?
How could I be happy knowing that all the children and billions of ppl that die each day because of the US and powerful ppl that you submit to, have died with no life to live. Just because you havent been burnt doesn't mean they haven't, not everyone gets to live in this "happy" world of yours, they get to exist in a life of labor from 6 years old, or get nuked and mutated by other men, or deemed dumb by society, or be affected by stupid ppl. If being self-obsessed is accepting life's experience then I am. I live looking for beauty, I would have killed my self to live with your narrow view listen to phil collins and nas
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Usually I don't respond to idiots but you're an exception.
quote: I don't think you realize the audacity of this statement. Visit a jail, or a graveyard, or a public school, or a third world country. You have no idea how lucky you and I are. We're the ppl of these stupid monsters so we don't get hit with missiles. This message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-27-2005 03:18 PM listen to phil collins and nas
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: I don't. sorry that I didn't connect with you. I have no reason to keep talking with you then. I hope you see this soon, I know I didn't give the best delivery but that's real insignificant. listen to phil collins and nas
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Don't worry dsv, there's hope.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
This evidence is harder to see than the type you're used to. You need to feel the tragedy.
This world gives ppl horrible unbearable lives. listen to phil collins and nas
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
There isn't much happiness, there is nothing in money.
listen to phil collins and nas
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
We agree.
But there is one thing I'm not sure if you agree with that I believe. That humans have limited understanding of God. So limited in fact that we can only know it exists.
quote: I despair because I see everything beautiful here being dstroyed, and I see every beautiful person become a victim of this world. I believe that ppl that criticize "believers", have no idea. listen to phil collins and nas
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CK Member (Idle past 4148 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Let's get down to brass tacks - you seem to suffering from what is commonly called "teenager angst". I used to see it all the time when a) I was a teenager and b) when I was a teacher.
It's nice and all but don't be surprised if the rest of us don't find it profound or that interesting*. * yes and we all think as teenagers that people don't "understand". This message has been edited by General Krull, 27-Apr-2005 03:42 PM
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
note to all-
I haven't been around yesterday much because I had to go back to the doctors, I wasn't hiding from this or anything, I thought it was still in the proposal process. I wrote an essay in my SAT class and strangely enough the topic was this: Agree on whether or not you should live by the facts or by the emotion, the intangible. I compared realists and romantics. I might post it here when I get it back. It's far more organized. note to phatboy:I had mistakes in my OP but I still didn't appreciate the editing of the text and title, I know you meant well and I would never hold that against you but at least get me to give you an ok with that and moving it in the coffee house in the future if you want. listen to phil collins and nas |
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Chris,
This evidence is harder to see than the type you're used to. You need to feel the tragedy. This world gives ppl horrible unbearable lives. And how is people having horrible unbearable lives evidence of God? This after all is what I asked for, evidence of God. So where is it, & how is tragedy evidence of God rather than just the general shittiness of everyday life? Mark This message has been edited by mark24, 04-27-2005 03:47 PM There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
If this was teenager angst i might be arguing about going to school or going to a party or something. I think downplaying the message of my argument isn't nice. I think you are finding a way to demean me as a person, my opinions as a person, that I'm a "teenager" so I don't understand. I think that is stupid. The Christ refuted that. I would think you "don't understand" if youn were 80 years old with your view.
listen to phil collins and nas
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
I believe in love.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Usually I don't respond to idiots but you're an exception. Well shucks, you've convinced me that your posts don't stem from teenage immaturity.
I don't think you realize the audacity of this statement. Sure I do. In fact, if this conversation were in person, rather than on a message board, I would attempt to increase the audacity of the statement by waving my penis in your face while saying it. The world is a Fucking Beautiful Place. *waggle waggle*
Visit a jail, or a graveyard, or a public school, or a third world country. I'm aware of the problems of the world, Chris. The world has ups, and downs, and shitty parts and fucking fantastic parts. And the astounding thing is that, to varying degrees of intensity, very few lives are completely bereft of either high points or low points. Some people get dealt a worse hand than others, no two ways about it. But the experience of life, with all the risks and rewards it is capable of giving us, amounts to something astoundingly beautiful.
You have no idea how lucky you and I are. Sure I do. We got dealt great hands.
We're the ppl of these stupid monsters so we don't get hit with missiles. See, when you do this, I go back to wanting to make fun of you. Please parse this abortion of a sentence and try again. Because as it stands I have no idea what "we're the [people?] of these stupid monsters" means. Sounds like a line from a David Bowie song. This message has been edited by [Dan's Clever Alias], 04-27-2005 03:58 PM
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