Chris,
I learned today though. In That you aren't allowed to use a word with many meanings until you are instructed how to use it by another man, with another philosophy, that you know about math.
Come on man, this is just a practical thing about language. You either have to use words like other people, or you have to KNOW that you're using them differently from their common meaning, and point it out. That's simply practical usage of language.
I saw your posts, and I thought you had some good points that I agree with. But your use of the word "logic" is very different than what is usually used here. Recognize that and be more careful. Then you can get your point across.
It's the job of the few to recognize the tendencies of the many, and to work within them. The other way is to just run away, escape. But you're here
There is no place for logic in the discussion of God.
What do you mean "logic" ? If you mean "use of the scientific method" I agree. If you mean "deductive logic" then I partially agree. If you mean "logic of the heart" then I disagree.
I see people here and it's a tragedy. They can't see the spirit in their life in their world
I don't think this has to do with belief in God(s). Belief in God(s) is one way to find spirit in your life. Finding "spirit" (i.e. hope, future, VALUE) in the world alone can be done, is done. People within the church fail to really find the spirit of God, and people who don't believe in God also fail to find the "spirit" for living. I agree with you that it's a tragedy when that happens. But I disagree with who you direct the criticism at. And I disagree with your take on how to handle it--let's do something about it.
People criticize or demean those that don't adhere directly to the evidence are prejudice like racists.
Surprisingly enough, I don't think you're too far off here. However...
I do not adhere to science, I do not adhere to the evidence.
In the domain of God, I understand. I think that's an OK choice. But to ignore the utility of the scientific method in developing technology, medical treatments, etc. is silly. It's a useful method.
Furthermore you can't argue against scientific results on belief. There's no discussion to be had. Argument is based on ... evidence and logic. Don't try to prove that God exists and don't try to prove that the earth is young, or that evolution didn't happen. Belief cannot walk into this domain. If you walk into this domain with belief, then you're going to get made fun of. Because you're going to try and use half of the methods of science and logic to go against true, hard science... it's called pseudo-science, and it's laughable.
How dare you define what's real! What is ignorant? What is worth believing in?
Don't take it as definition. Take it as an idea. Nobody should define what is real, only to offer a perspective. Which is why you made a big mistake by saying
You have no idea.
The way you say it sounds to me like YOU think you have the truth. Dude, you can testify to your truth, you can tell people about your truth, but JUST like you complained above, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. How dare you define what's real? Watch Phatboy. Watch Percy. Really, so many characters here. Jar, Dan, etc., etc. Not that I want to discuss specific people, especially since I don't know so much about people here. But I think they're in the position you want to be. That is, filled with spirit that can testify, but filled in the wisdom that does not make demands on the beliefs of others.
But like I said, I do agree, it's not everybody. It has nothing to do with belief in a God though bro.
I refuse to deny God. Because I see God in you, I should be scorned and laughed at?
Nope. Look at your brothers, some of them laugh at those who don't have God. Do peopel deserve to be laughed at because they see spirit in you without seeing your God?
all I wanted to do was to stick up for people losing their beliefs because the evidence is swaying them. It won't enhance your experience, it'll dwindle it to nothing, and if you lose the hope you have nothing.
But the conclusion is not that evidence and science are worthless. The conclusion is that, for those who cannot find spirit without God, evidence and science are worthless for finding spirit.
if you lose the hope you have nothing. You become man made. But the fact is you were made by God, you been perfectly created. There's no errors in it or imperfections because there is a reason to it. That existentialist was wrong.
Beware of using your logic. Logic is a human tool. Make sure you apply it where appropriate.
It's not your fault that your life is bad. It's everybody elses. It's beyond your control, do your best ot not lose hope and keep your head up so you can witness God when he decides to cheer you up.
I don't even think your God would agree with this. You're resposible for your own life, for your own happiness. God doesn't cheer you up. He asks you to cheer yourself up. Those who have God should never despair. How can you despair in the face of God?
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OK, I have to finish here for today. I took it on Phatboy's word that it is worthwhile to read your rant. I hope I can learn more about you by reading your reply.
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