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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
If we assume that her wishes are not known, then according to the marital contract between her and her husband it must be left to her husband (either as next-of-kin or legal guardian - which is it, I'm not sure) to make decisions for her. I haven't been following this subject much at all, but I caught an interview on Late Edition last night which made me scratching my head. Maybe you can fill in the details, especially regarding this last bit about spousal rights. Please read the whole thing before answering. While undoubtedly many Reps are using this as a tool to make some sort of statement regarding "life" and "values", one of the writers of the legislation did not seem to me to be overtly trying to anything of the sort. While a bit hyperbolic in his analogies regarding criminals (they get review but Schiavo can't), he dismissed the political and to a great extent the religious aspect of this legislation. What the guy laid out was that the legislation acts to give federal review of cases involving termination of life support, when there are no specific laws governing aspects of the case (or the minutiae of the case), and there is a dispute between family (or significant others) regarding whether to take the person off medical support. The review board will simply make sure the facts have been substantiated and the processes properly followed. That to me, no matter what drama the anti-abortion or proXian people want to throw over it, does not seem offensive. It adds a layer of legal oversight on cases where a dispute exists. The congressman said that there were some serious questions about the medical facts, as well as about spousal rights (whether they actually hold in this case). Since I do not know the full story, what he went on to say certainly did raise some questions in my mind. As far as medical facts go, she does not appear to fit the traditional vegetative state criteria. Not that I would want to live like she does, and maybe she does not, but it does seem a bit odd to say that she is in a complete vegetative state. The congressman went on to show that he was not simply a bible-toting "life thug" by admitting freely that as a physician he himself had pulled feeding tubes based on the requests of families and understood that was a valid choice for those within vegetative states. He questioned whether she was actually in that state based on his experience as a physician. As far as spousal rights, both he and Terri's brother stated that the husband has since moved on to another woman and has essentially lived with her in what would be a "common law" marriage situation for a number of years. Thus there seems to be a valid question of whether the rights he had would at this point have been forfeited and revert back to her family, just as a matter of normal legal procedure. I'm not trying to defend fanatical Reps (and some Dems) on this, just saying that interview made it sound not so insane as it did through the filter of proLife hysteria surrounding it as well as the antiRep demagogues. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Is there anyone from the proLife-fundie side that sees a major inconsistency that Bush would rush from his ranch to save one life because there is a question regarding her status, when he never budged to prevent the deaths of over 10K innocent Iraqis as well as our own soldiers when there were questions regarding Iraq's status?
holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Thanks for the more detailed explanation. Although I suppose I still have some questions off of this.
Granted that I am understanding the court system overwhelmingly favored the husband's decision (in more than one trial if I heard right), and that personally I agree with the husband, I still wonder if there is some merit for the general legislation (as I heard it) proposed. What is the legislation, and does it simply call for federal review of contended cases? If so, then I am not sure that I see any problem with this. If the facts are correct, and legal situations have not changed, then what is the potential for a federal review to have any effect? I guess everyone is free to note the utter hypocrisy of any Republican ordering a federal review of a state decision, but that just continues the slide they started after the 2000 election, and I am not seeing a specific downside. Hope no one thinks I am actually siding with Bush and Co on this. I am just not seeing the overt badness of the legislation (at least the version I heard). holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
If it is really true that Bush signed a law allowing hospitals to unhook patients over the wishes of relatives, in order to save money, why is no one hammering on this in the media?
This would be a great way to stick it to Bush. In fact if what came out of this is a federal move to undue that piece of legislation, that'd be great. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Contra, why on earth are you trying to start an argument? I think my question was essentially rhetorical and assuming that news media is deficient (and this is not the first time I have told you that I admit the general US news media is deficient).
holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Why do you construe a direct answer to your question as a desire to start an argument? Because it was not a direct answer, it was simply a slam job. For instance, what is "my" media? I am in Holland, and I watch British and European news sources. Yet you say my media is toothless etc etc, which can only be a ref to US media which I have already criticized, so there is no point in your answer. My statement was suggesting that there was a lapse in the media, but what was the source? For US it might be obvious, but what about foreign media? Have you been seeing this getting broadcast in England or any other Euro news? The first place I heard it was here, the next place I saw it happened to be a US news source. Instead of finding an excuse to inject diatribe, why not come up with a serious answer, especially when you feel compelled to answer a rhetorical question? Okay, this probably all sounds meaner than I meant it. I apologize if it sounds a bit hostile. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Why don't you accept an honest answer when you get one? Ughhh... I didn't say it wasn't honest. I don't think it was direct, and it appeared to be seeking an argument where there didn't need to be one, simply due to its provocative nature. If you meant it as direct and nonprovocative, fine, I took it the wrong way. I apologize. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Oh man, that was goooood. The major irony being in order to watch that video I had to have an army recruitment "video" running at the same time. What's with ComCen working as tool for Bush's efforts?
holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5846 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
The legislation specifically and directly states that the federal judicial system shall have jurisdiction in the Terri Schiavo case AND ONLY the Terry Schiavo case and that was passed specifically for the benefit of Terry's parents. The text can be found here: I wonder why Wolf Blitzer didn't call anyone on their complete misstatements of fact. This act was nothing like what was described by the Rep congressman.
This is a clear violation of federalism and the concept of State's Rights, such a huge rallying cry of the right. You probably missed my post acknowledging that I understood what an utter hypocrisy this was for any Rep, as well as a problem for Fed/state issues. I tend to like state's rights and so was not very keen on this kind of oversight. However, as I saw it stated on Late Edition, the level of oversight seemed so limited that it did not really bother me much. Remember from what I heard, which just goes to show what liars Reps are, all this was was calling for a Fed review of facts and processes only for state cases where there was a dispute by family members regarding the termination of life support, and the issue was not covered directly by state law. I didn't necessarily think it was necessary, nor that it was preferable, just that I did not see it as a gross overstepping of Fed vs State issues. Clearly, the link you provided showed that it was a gross overstepping, sets a horrific precedent, and not just on the Fed vs State power issue.
But I guess this just goes along with the current administration definition of marriage: One man, one woman, and Congress. I was under the impression that was simply a side-effect of their definition of the USA: One God, One country, One King. holmes "...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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