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iano
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Message 14 of 301 (441147)
12-16-2007 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
12-16-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Christmas should transcend religion
phat writes:
And as for Dawkins? I respect the man more each time I hear of him, as it seems he has a cheerful and loving "heart" to go with his rational mind.
Peace in our time huh?
{AbE} Oh Holy Night my own favorite. Tingles....
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iano
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Message 25 of 301 (441187)
12-16-2007 5:34 PM
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12-16-2007 4:27 PM


lindalou writes:
I think I may have hit on what's been bothering me.
Something special about Christmas deserted me when I left the Catholic faith. I could never throw out what I'd learned and go back to that, but it's felt like a loss all this time.
I'd be surprised if the loss of a meaning for your life (one which they say, transcends the very best that you can assemble for yourself) would pass by unnoticed.

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iano
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Message 26 of 301 (441188)
12-16-2007 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Jon
12-16-2007 4:43 PM


Re: Its already secularized
Context Jon, context. Paul is addressing those "foolish Galatians" who, subsequent to their receiving and believing a gospel of grace, were setting about works (amongst which Religious Observation) - as if that mattered for their salvation.
If one utilises Christmas (or Christmas utilises one) for the purposes of rememberance of what is (once true) the most monumental occurance in human history - bar none - then I fail to see the harm in it.

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iano
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Message 30 of 301 (441201)
12-16-2007 6:14 PM
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12-16-2007 5:54 PM


Re: Its already secularized
Good is not really the issue. Monumental is. If you have to ask what would be monumental about the moment of eternal God stepping into time..
If you have a passing understanding of the story you will recognise that is it only good for those on "the narrow path". For everyone else it's not very good at all

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iano
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Message 34 of 301 (441214)
12-16-2007 6:39 PM
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12-16-2007 6:27 PM


Re: Its already secularized
quote:
I'm not sure how a Christian can even see religious significance in the birth. Please, elaborate...
I didn't say I saw any religious significance (whatever that means)in it. I said that eternal Gods incarnation would be a monumental thing in the history of the world (assuming true). Barring the beginning of time and the end of time there would be little else to compete with it in terms of monumentality (if that's the correct term). Except his leaving this world perhaps.
Although his death and resurrection are apparently significant. Thuswise Easter as a significant event on the Christian calender too.

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iano
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Message 38 of 301 (441220)
12-16-2007 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by molbiogirl
12-16-2007 6:51 PM


Re: Crash, in my heart ...
molbiogirl writes:
Dr. Dawkins is a remarkable man and a brilliant scientist.
Brilliant? What did he do that was brilliant science?

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