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Author Topic:   Why does Richard Dawkins sing Christmas carols?
Archer Opteryx
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Message 250 of 301 (443307)
12-24-2007 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kitsune
12-15-2007 7:15 AM


Why a Taoist sings carols
Mr Dawkins can answer for himself. But, leaving aside the cultural and aesthetic considerations, I can tell you why a Taoist sings carols.
New birth in the midst of winter darkness. It's a potent symbol.
Christians know this, of course, but they have never been the only people who do. The image possessed 'deep meaning' centuries before Christianity existed. It's a Taoist idea, too, and a Buddhist one, and a Jewish one, and a Hindu one. It should come as a surprise to no one to discover that the symbol retains power in our own time, inviting contemplation beyond all lines drawn by dogma.
No one can copyright an insight.
Speaking of which, Linda: December 25 just arrived in my time zone.

I wish you a hopeful Christmas
I wish you a brave new year
All anguish, pain, and sadness
Leave your heart and let your road be clear.
Peace and good tidings to all.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 254 of 301 (443452)
12-25-2007 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Omnivorous
12-24-2007 10:04 PM


Re: Sinister thoughts
Omni:
Sounds like an excellent analogy to homosexuality to me, much better than behaviors that are clearly destructive to oneself or others, or acts that are manifestly pathologies.
Like figure skating.
Hey. Michelle Kuan is a genius.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 262 of 301 (443533)
12-25-2007 3:26 PM
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12-25-2007 12:18 PM


Re: Sinister thoughts
Omni: Sure--I just wanted (like Mod, I think) to illustrate the arbitrariness of declarations of "obviously vile."
Understood. I guess I just supported your argument.
Except we all know that telemarketing really is vile. That's not opinion. That's Absolute Truth.
Heathen's Greetings back at ya, Apricot Eyes. And to everyone on every branch in your tree.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : messing around.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 273 of 301 (443846)
12-27-2007 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Taz
12-25-2007 7:38 PM


Re: Sinister thoughts
Taz:
My 6 year old niece was eating with her left hand when her mom scolded her and forced her to hold the fork with her right hand. I had to bite my tongue to not say anything. Seems to me like left-handedness is still viewed as somehow wrong by many people.
Or her mother might just be trying to condition the girl to use her right hand for some everyday things, in the belief that this will make life easier for her in the long run. For the rest of her life your niece is going to find forks placed on her right.
That's not at all the approach I would take as a parent. But I wouldn't, from that scene alone, jump to the conclusion that her mother views left-handedness as doing 'wrong' in some way--especially with the moral baggage that word carries in our present context. Other possibilities exist.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : brev.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 283 of 301 (446240)
01-05-2008 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by macaroniandcheese
12-27-2007 9:27 AM


Re: Sinister thoughts
brennakimi:
a fork is appropriately placed on the left-hand side.
Aiya. I misstated it. You are correct, Brenna, of course.
The other utensils are placed on the right. The assumption is that this is most convenient placing for the majority of the population, which is right-handed. Spoons and knives, not forks, illustrate the point.
Forks can be placed on the left because, as the most frequently used utensils, they will spend most of the meal time in the user's hand regardless of the initial placing. As you point out, even by right-handed people the usage varies.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 284 of 301 (446242)
01-05-2008 12:24 PM
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12-27-2007 12:49 PM


Re: Sinister thoughts
My point was merely that our colleague did well to bite his tongue. Parents have many choices to make and, whether we would do things the same way or not (I wouldn't), the mother in this case could have had any number of reasons for acting as she did. The post asked us to assume one motive to the exclusion of others.

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