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Phat
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Message 241 of 300 (342777)
08-23-2006 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by robinrohan
08-23-2006 1:31 PM


Re: Ah, now we get Robin's Theory.
Sir. Robin of Rohan writes:
Is there some basic principle that a good moral code must contain?
Interesting. Lemme think of certain adages that I happen to agree with at this point in time...
*ponder, ponder*
  • "The Blessing destroys the curse".... I have believed this to be true in a non-religious sense. I dont always follow it---sometimes I cuss people out when I should be blessing them.
  • "We become the decisions that we make." ... I happen to believe this very strongly.
  • "Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, strength..." I know this one is right! And I can never do it!
  • "Love your neighbor as yourself"...This one gets us back to the veterans in the hospital, the homeless man on the street, and the gangsta teen in the mall...(in my case) What does it mean to love someone? Does it mean to leave them alone? Does it mean to smile at them and not give them money that they are asking for? Does it mean putting yourself in their shoes and relating to them as best as you know ho for that moment in time??
    So many factors come into play. Robin, I believe that when Jar says to do our best, he is in agreement with most peoples intention.
    Its just that human nature (in retrospect) rarely lives up to that ideal.

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    Message 242 of 300 (342782)
    08-23-2006 3:12 PM
    Reply to: Message 239 by jar
    08-23-2006 2:36 PM


    Re: Ah, now we get Robin's Theory.
    Strongly but Tentatively.
    I don't see how we can characterize an opinion as both strong and tentative.

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    Message 243 of 300 (342785)
    08-23-2006 3:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 232 by robinrohan
    08-23-2006 12:12 PM


    Question for Jar
    But to get back to the main question, is what I have written below part of your moral code?
    Part of trying is being interactive with others, not just close friends or relatives, but people in general. If one is not sufficently interactive with people, one has not tried.
    Also, one ought to volunteer sometimes for beneficial projects.
    Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
    Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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    Phat
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    Message 244 of 300 (342786)
    08-23-2006 3:23 PM
    Reply to: Message 243 by robinrohan
    08-23-2006 3:17 PM


    Re: Ah, now we get Robin's Theory.
    I volunteer because I believe that I make a difference. I also get something out of it which I may share some day in a belief statement.
    I don't advocate that everyone do as I do, however. Each of us relates and interacts with the people around us in our own unique ways.

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    robinrohan
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    Message 245 of 300 (342787)
    08-23-2006 3:24 PM
    Reply to: Message 244 by Phat
    08-23-2006 3:23 PM


    Re: Ah, now we get Robin's Theory.
    Sorry, Phat, I meant to ask Jar.

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    ringo
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    Message 246 of 300 (342792)
    08-23-2006 3:44 PM
    Reply to: Message 228 by Tusko
    08-23-2006 11:31 AM


    Tusko writes:
    The difference that breaks the analogy for me is that one of your guys offered you something first. In Robin's case nobody did.
    I don't see that as a difference at all. I don't think the guy even expected me to hear him. I'm certain he didn't expect me to respond.
    Maybe your attitude would be "nothing ventured nothing gained, I bet these guys have an interesting story to tell."
    My attitude would be more like, "there's a fellow human being. The natural thing to do is acknowledge his existence."
    ... it might transpire that you might inadvertantly upset a vet through said conversation.
    *shrug*
    I upset people all the time. It usually doesn't spell the downfall of civilization.
    ... its still something to think about.
    I don't think much any more. I have enough thoughts saved up to last twenty years or so.
    I just think there are too many unknown variables in the situation described to have anything like a firm opinion about the rightness of Robin's (in)action.
    Who said I had a "firm opinion"? I said he missed an oppurtunity. I've missed a few myself.
    When somebody points out a missed oppurtunity to you, the appropriate response is to thank them - not tighten your death-grip on mama's apron-strings.
    I wasn't there so I don't really feel confident to comment on anyone's motivation.
    One of the advantages of getting older is you feel confident to comment on anything.
    I don't see why you can't grant me that you don't have any more support for your contention that through his actions Robin did something a little (or a lottle) regrettable.
    I wasn't aware that I needed evidence in the Coffee House (nor was I aware that I had suggested that I had any evidence).
    I should think it's bloody obvious: every path not taken is a missed oppurtunity.
    (I'm baffled by how defensive you guys are about that.)
    No regrets = no life.
    Look forward to hearing from you, Angel Eyes.
    I thought of changing my alias to that.

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    ringo
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    Message 247 of 300 (342793)
    08-23-2006 3:50 PM
    Reply to: Message 241 by Phat
    08-23-2006 3:00 PM


    Re: Ah, now we get Robin's Theory.
    Phat writes:
    "Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, strength..." I know this one is right! And I can never do it!
    It's easier for people with small hearts and small souls.

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    NeuroCycle
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    Message 248 of 300 (342796)
    08-23-2006 3:59 PM
    Reply to: Message 246 by ringo
    08-23-2006 3:44 PM


    I should think it's bloody obvious: every path not taken is a missed oppurtunity.
    Take one path you will always miss another.
    No regrets = no life
    If I can learn a leason from something then I don't regret it. I have very few regrets.... does that turn into:
    Few regrets = littl life ?

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    jar
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    Message 249 of 300 (342798)
    08-23-2006 4:04 PM
    Reply to: Message 242 by robinrohan
    08-23-2006 3:12 PM


    Re: Ah, now we get Robin's Theory.
    jar said regarding how he holds a particular moral position:
    quote:
    Strongly but Tentatively. Personally I feel strongly about it but who knows, someone may show me I am wrong.
    to which robin replied:
    I don't see how we can characterize an opinion as both strong and tentative.
    Well then that is your limitation. As I said, I am not you. I have no control over your limitations. In my reply, the part you neglected to quote, I explained how I do it.
    Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
    Edited by jar, : add requisite spalling arrors

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    Message 250 of 300 (342799)
    08-23-2006 4:11 PM
    Reply to: Message 243 by robinrohan
    08-23-2006 3:17 PM


    Re: Question for Jar
    Although you replied to robin, I am assuming you wanted me to answer this post.
    quote:
    But to get back to the main question, is what I have written below part of your moral code?
    Part of trying is being interactive with others, not just close friends or relatives, but people in general. If one is not sufficently interactive with people, one has not tried.
    Also, one ought to volunteer sometimes for beneficial projects.

    I don't see what much of that has to do with morals. Sorry.
    AbE:
    If you mean generally doing little things when you can to help folk, then sure, that is a good way to live. Is it moral, I guess so, never thought about assigning a value to it. It is not the kind of think you do because it is moral while not getting the box down is immoral, it is just the right thing to do.
    If I have a moral code, and I don't spend much time worrying about whether I do or not since I don't think it is really all that important, it is just to try to do what is right in a given situation.
    It really is as simple as that.
    Edited by jar, : expand section on moral codes.

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    ringo
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    Message 251 of 300 (342804)
    08-23-2006 4:31 PM
    Reply to: Message 248 by NeuroCycle
    08-23-2006 3:59 PM


    NeuroCycle writes:
    If I can learn a leason from something then I don't regret it.
    Cute cliche.
    I have very few regrets.... does that turn into:
    Few regrets = littl life ?
    It could turn into:
    Young life.
    Or maybe you should set your sights higher.

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    Message 252 of 300 (342806)
    08-23-2006 4:35 PM
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    08-23-2006 4:31 PM


    Cute cliche
    worthless response
    It could turn into:
    Young life.
    Or maybe you should set your sights higher.
    Explain how few regrets would lead to any of that?
    Edited by NeuroCycle, : No reason given.

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    ringo
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    Message 253 of 300 (342815)
    08-23-2006 4:49 PM
    Reply to: Message 252 by NeuroCycle
    08-23-2006 4:35 PM


    NeuroCycle writes:
    Cute cliche
    worthless response
    Yes, I meant that your cute cliche was a worthless response.
    You might as well have said, "A stitch in time saves nine."
    (I'm trying to be gentle here. Don't make me go upside your head again. )
    It could turn into:
    Young life.
    Explain how few regrets would lead to any of that?
    I meant that having few regrets might just mean you're very young and haven't had many oppurtunities to screw up yet.

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    Message 254 of 300 (342818)
    08-23-2006 4:54 PM
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    08-23-2006 4:49 PM


    Yes, I meant that your cute cliche was a worthless response.
    You might as well have said, "A stitch in time saves nine."
    (I'm trying to be gentle here. Don't make me go upside your head again. )
    Yes it is a cliche, but that doesn't dampen it's meaning or effect.
    I meant that having few regrets might just mean you're very young and haven't had many oppurtunities to screw up yet.
    Yes I am young, I have screwed up many times in my life (important and unimportant things). All those screw ups have had a reason that I learned from and implied to my life

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    ringo
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    Message 255 of 300 (342822)
    08-23-2006 5:03 PM
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    08-23-2006 4:54 PM


    NeuroCycle writes:
    All those screw ups have had a reason that I learned from and implied to my life
    So you'd repeat all same the screwups again?
    You claim to learn from your mistakes, yet you don't regret making them.
    To my mind, that's self-contradictory.

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