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iceage 
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Message 179 of 302 (361750)
11-05-2006 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Rob
11-05-2006 12:49 AM


Oh Man.... I just finished watching Nacho Libre and your little schpeel sounded like a line out that stupid movie!
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." (I haven't got a clue)

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Message 183 of 302 (361757)
11-05-2006 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by jar
11-04-2006 10:42 PM


Re: Mainly just a bigot
I am not necessarily a Dobson fan but if you are going to insult a man it should be backed up with some substance, don't you think!

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Message 187 of 302 (361762)
11-05-2006 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Rob
11-05-2006 1:42 AM


Why... that dirty rotton Haggard
His is not dirty or rotton(sic) just fellow human - with apparently an unexamined issue or two.
Whoa you forgot your quote(s) on the last one so allow me....
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." (Albert Einstein)

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iceage 
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Message 189 of 302 (361765)
11-05-2006 2:04 AM
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11-05-2006 1:46 AM


Re: Mainly just a bigot
pushing the anti-gay legislation efforts
They are anti-gay so nothing hypocritical here.
to con the gullible out of money from printing companies to marketing home school material, all with a pro-ignorance bias.
They print what they believe in. They raise money, what is the issue. Readers Digest and National Geographic do the same to a different crowd.
He is another bastion of hypocrisies.
For nothing better to do during my daily commute I often listen to Moody broadcasting and other similar stations. If nothing else it keeps me sharp trying to identify the instances and inflictions of various logical fallacies However, Dobson seems like the least hypocritical, the least radical and most sensible.
To be a hypocrite requires difference between spouted belief and actions. It appears (i remain hesitant to judge not knowing the full details) that the subject person Haggard is a hypocrite.

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Message 221 of 302 (361869)
11-05-2006 2:25 PM
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11-05-2006 2:10 PM


Re: absolute morality is all relative
If that's true then why do so many relativists object to absolute standards?
Actually I have found Christians when pressed resort to situational ethics. For example try to rationalize "Love your Neighbor" and "Turn the Other Check" with supposed godly commands rape, pillage and genocide in the OT.

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iceage 
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Message 278 of 302 (362014)
11-05-2006 8:23 PM
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11-05-2006 4:01 PM


Re: absolute morality is all relative
Whoever said anything about being a pacifist? All your talk about pacifism is a stawman and a diversion.
Jesus’ character and message is diametrically opposed to the god described in the old testament. The god of the OT commanded genocide and approved of rape and pillaging.
There is a considerable gapping philosophical divide between that and just not "being a pacifist"!
Consider
Deuteronomy 20 writes:
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Or in reference of repaying the Babylonian's (the enemy) for their evil deeds the godly inspired psalmist sings....
Psalms 137 writes:
How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.
As an aside I actually read some apologetic claim that the rock here was Jesus the rock. OK sure.
Now compare that to Jesus’ admonishments of "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".
I understand all your talk about winning over your enemies and such, which has nothing to do with this issue.
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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