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RickJB
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Message 196 of 302 (361787)
11-05-2006 5:32 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Hyroglyphx
11-04-2006 2:41 PM


Re: nemesis_juggernaut's moral standard refuted by Haggard ... et al
nj writes:
In other words, is it odd that virtually everyone would view murder as abhorrent rather than picking dandelions?
Murder withing one's social group is abhorrent since it impacts on the local community. In a war, however, murdering the ememy is seen a heroic. This isn't particularly absolute! Morals have a biological origin.
nj writes:
No one needs 'training' on morals. When people are trained in their morals, that's when true morality becomes skewed, IMO. Its like I tell my pro-abort buddies. Take a little child who has formal understanding of right or wrong, or even death, down to the clinic and let them watch it. Would they not be horrified?
No one needs "training" on morals? You've just suggested training a child to be anti-abortion!
nj writes:
I've asked that question to a few people, some of them responded, "You're sick for wanting to take a little kid to watch an abortion." LOL! Oh, but wait, I thought there was nothing wrong with it! For the record, I wouldn't subject any child to that, but thanks for admitting that its wrong.
But they haven't admitted abortion is wrong, NJ, they have said it wrong for a child to see such a procedure. This is your absolute morality twisting people's responses to fit your own worldview.
Most pro-abortion supporters take a nuanced, "relative" view of abortion. Most will certainly concede that abortion is itself unpleasant, but they nevertheless argue that a woman must have the right to control her own reproductive capability.

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RickJB
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Message 204 of 302 (361804)
11-05-2006 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by nator
11-05-2006 7:04 AM


Re: nemesis_juggernaut's moral standard refuted by Haggard ... et al
Hi Schraf.
I respect your views but please don't use your own preference as a basis for dictating which terms I can and cannot use. I think the content of my position was clear enough, so lets not split hairs over terminology.
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RickJB
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Message 286 of 302 (362073)
11-06-2006 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 282 by Hyroglyphx
11-06-2006 12:40 AM


Re: absolute morality is all relative
nj writes:
Morals are vastly different, because if we were to say, "murder is wrong," immediately everyone knows exactly what we're talking about and they are all in agreement.
Murder is a negatively loaded term that you have chosen to lend weight to you argument. Killing (to use the neutral term) is seen a "wrong" when it impinges on one's local community, yet killing is also seen a morally correct by many when one is dealing with an "enemy" in wartime.
Your story is truly sad, but this is isn't the Oprah Winfrey show. Appeals to the heart in lieu of logic may work in church, but you ain't fooling anyone with sob tactics here.
The act of killing can have a different moral status that is entirely dependent on its context. Hardly what I'd call "absolute"...
Besides, the very fact that you are engaged in argument here is in itself a confirmation of the fact that views on morality are not absolute!
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RickJB
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Message 287 of 302 (362076)
11-06-2006 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Hyroglyphx
11-06-2006 12:49 AM


Re: We're not dogs, you moron!
nj writes:
What difference is there if its all relative? You are making it sound as if marrying dogs and children is an immoral action. Is that what you think? If were both moral relativists, should your opinion mean anything to me? Is the starting to click for you.
No, you both ARE relativists - it just so happens that your views overlap in some areas and not in others. Bestiality is one area which the vast majortiy of humans find objectionable. Homosexuality is frowned upon to a far lesser degree.
As a said previously the very existence of this argument works against your hypothesis.
It seems to me that the real issue for you is not that others have different concepts of morality, it is that you are determined in the face of opposition to label your own concept as the "correct" one.
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