Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,815 Year: 3,072/9,624 Month: 917/1,588 Week: 100/223 Day: 11/17 Hour: 0/7


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Christianity Today: Atheism is the only rational outlook.
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 28 of 95 (401674)
05-21-2007 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by riVeRraT
05-21-2007 8:35 AM


Why?
I voted in the poll and saw nothing unreasonable in the results.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 27 by riVeRraT, posted 05-21-2007 8:35 AM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 35 by riVeRraT, posted 05-21-2007 11:03 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 30 of 95 (401743)
05-21-2007 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ohnhai
05-21-2007 6:58 PM


Once again it shows that Biblical Christian Evangelicals are simply LIARS.
By pulling the poll and posting the divorce poll as their most recent one, "Christianity Today" has simply shown without a doubt that they are LIARs and their product is dishonesty and fraud.
Thanks "Christianity Today" for your total immorality and deceit.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 29 by ohnhai, posted 05-21-2007 6:58 PM ohnhai has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 31 by dwise1, posted 05-21-2007 9:51 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 32 of 95 (401748)
05-21-2007 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by dwise1
05-21-2007 9:51 PM


Re: Once again it shows that Biblical Christian Evangelicals are simply LIARS.
Actually, that divorce poll was there before.
Yes, it was the poll before the Atheist one.
To simply "disappear" the recent poll they are willfully ignoring truth and facts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 31 by dwise1, posted 05-21-2007 9:51 PM dwise1 has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 34 by ohnhai, posted 05-21-2007 10:58 PM jar has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 36 of 95 (401760)
05-21-2007 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by riVeRraT
05-21-2007 11:03 PM


LOL
Say What?
In the message I was replying to you said:
If the poll is accurate, then this has been a wake-up call for Christians, and continues to be.
I asked why you thought that and pointed out that I saw nothing unreasonable in the results.
now you say:
I didn't see anything unreasonable either, what is your point?
Okay.
Color me absolutely mystified by your posts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 35 by riVeRraT, posted 05-21-2007 11:03 PM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 37 by riVeRraT, posted 05-22-2007 10:28 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 38 of 95 (401822)
05-22-2007 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by riVeRraT
05-22-2007 10:28 AM


But did anyone vote against Christianity?
However, Christians should question this, and examine themselves, because if Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light, then why are all these people voting against Christianity?
Christians should definitely question whether "Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light" and if they do so honestly, they will find that Jesus is not the way, the truth, and the light and that that is simply another of the soundbite nonsense phrases beloved of those who want to keep folk ignorant.
With Christianity having the reputation it does today, especially amoung atheists, it is not unreasonable to expect those results.
Christianity has the reputation it has today because it earned that reputation.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 37 by riVeRraT, posted 05-22-2007 10:28 AM riVeRraT has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 44 by Phat, posted 05-23-2007 9:31 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 45 of 95 (402046)
05-23-2007 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
05-23-2007 9:31 PM


Re: Lady Wisdom insists upon center stage
Jesus did make a path possible, where before Him there was no path.
If that is true the God is even more evil than anyone could imagine.
To assume that other religions have found a path that somehow is able to bypass God in the flesh is, in my opinion, ignorant.
Based on what? LOL
Do you honestly think that God expects us to accept a message without a messenger?
Huh?
Another soundbite from the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
Do you honestly think that she could care less if we acknowledge the source of her message?
Of course. What does the source have to do with the message?
What do you think she expects us to conclude? That we ourselves made up our own message to give to ourselves?
Of course we did. Regardless of the reality of the Jesus story, it still is left to us to make the message, interpret the message and act on the message.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 44 by Phat, posted 05-23-2007 9:31 PM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 46 by Phat, posted 05-24-2007 4:49 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 47 of 95 (402092)
05-24-2007 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
05-24-2007 4:49 AM


Re: Lady Wisdom insists upon center stage
Of course, within the context of the belief, Jesus existed before any other human..so there was no lack of a path at any point in any humans personal history.
Another silly soundbite theology.
That one is really stupid and negates ANY possible purpose to Jesus life among us.
Left to us by whom? A message by definition needs to originate from a messenger.
Really?
Another silly soundbite.
That is just more of the woo-woo factor silliness. Who is the messenger in a tree ring or waves on the sea or clouds in the sky?
We are critters that look for patterns and then try to figure out why they exist. We are the messenger.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by Phat, posted 05-24-2007 4:49 AM Phat has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 48 by Phat, posted 05-24-2007 12:32 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 51 of 95 (402118)
05-24-2007 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
05-24-2007 12:32 PM


Re: She is almost human!
If you disagree with the premise that Jesus is the answer, you better have a darn good reason why you can boldly proclaim your own intellect as the answer.
That is all we have to work with Phat.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 48 by Phat, posted 05-24-2007 12:32 PM Phat has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 56 of 95 (402132)
05-24-2007 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by dwise1
05-24-2007 3:11 PM


Two types of people
There are two types of people.
There are those who look for Answers to Questions.
There are those who look for Answers to Question.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 55 by dwise1, posted 05-24-2007 3:11 PM dwise1 has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 61 of 95 (402412)
05-26-2007 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by riVeRraT
05-26-2007 11:15 AM


Well, since you guys insist on telling folk what I think...
Well put, and I feel the same way.
Only one thing is clear when it comes to the gospel according to jar, and that is that nothing is ever actually totally clear.
Damn straight. We never have full information. We do NOT know everything and so few things really can be clear. Sorry but we make decisions based on available information.
That is all we have available to use.
The only impression I get from all of jar's writings on a whole is that he is conforming to the world, and being part of the world, to try and do.... what?
Do what?
Try to do the best you can, try to honestly evaluate what you have done, acknowledge when you have done wrong, try to make amends and try to do better in the future.
It really is that simple.
Of course as Christians we should all be part of the world, but in our hearts we belong to God.
Yada, yada. What does that mean?
Phat writes:
Call me stupid, but I believe that my intellect left to its own devices inevitably disintegrates into Ego, Selfishness, and self-centered versus altruistic patterning.
to which rR replied:
quote:
And that is where religion starts, well put phat, love ya man!
Sorry rR but exactly does one do "altruistic patterning" (whatever the hell that means) without using their own intellect?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 59 by riVeRraT, posted 05-26-2007 11:15 AM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 71 by riVeRraT, posted 05-28-2007 8:31 PM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 72 of 95 (402603)
05-28-2007 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by riVeRraT
05-28-2007 8:31 PM


Re: Well, since you guys insist on telling folk what I think...
If you have to ask, then you don't know. It then becomes clear to me, that you have not yet experienced the Holy Spirit.
And how do you know it is the Holy Spirit?
When God comes to you, and tells you about yourself, and Himself.
And how do you know it is God?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 71 by riVeRraT, posted 05-28-2007 8:31 PM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 74 by riVeRraT, posted 05-29-2007 9:39 AM jar has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 76 of 95 (402659)
05-29-2007 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by riVeRraT
05-29-2007 9:39 AM


Re: Well, since you guys insist on telling folk what I think...
By reading the bible, and constantly testing what I feel. The bible may contain a lot of stories, but it is useful for discerning the Holy Spirit.
Sorry but that is a non-answer. How does the Bible, an inanimate object, discern anything?
I know, and you don't, it is for me, and not you.
The old assertion of secret knowledge gambit.
I can't prove it to you, unless you were over here with me, then I may start to show you, and share with you, what I know.
And just what evidence could be presented in person that could not be presented online?
The two questions remain?
How do you know it is God?
How do you know it is the Holy Spirit?
Jim Jones knew. And he could also show and share with others.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 74 by riVeRraT, posted 05-29-2007 9:39 AM riVeRraT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 80 by riVeRraT, posted 05-30-2007 9:32 AM jar has replied
 Message 93 by Phat, posted 11-07-2011 12:00 PM jar has seen this message but not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 84 of 95 (402838)
05-30-2007 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by riVeRraT
05-30-2007 9:32 AM


Re: Well, since you guys insist on telling folk what I think...
How does the equation E=MC2 written on a piece of paper, discern anything?
It doesn't.
You claim you know.
No, I do NOT claim I know. You are once again misrepresenting people.
We've had this discussion before.
And the only true answer is love.
Sorry but that is a non-answer. How do you tell it is God or the Holy Spirit? You can say love but that is just another buzzword to avoid addressing the issue.
The followers of Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite were filled with love and from that love they knew they were dealing with God and the Holy Spirit.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 80 by riVeRraT, posted 05-30-2007 9:32 AM riVeRraT has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 91 of 95 (403010)
05-31-2007 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Dr Adequate
05-31-2007 11:11 AM


Re: Columbus, Lewis And Clark
You are lying. Your reply was "That's right, every explorer knew where they were going before they left" --- something which I never said, and do not believe, and which I specifically pointed out was not true.
Generally, does an explorer know where he is going but not what he will find?
For example, Columbus definitely knew were he was going. He never reached the destination, but that has nothing to do with whether or not he knew where he was headed.
Louis & Clark knew where they were going, and in fact they had a specific charge stating where they were to go and what they were to do.
Journeys of Exploration almost always have a known charge, be it to find the headwaters of the Nile or the Moon, there is still a goal.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 90 by Dr Adequate, posted 05-31-2007 11:11 AM Dr Adequate has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024