Christianity Today: Atheism is the only rational outlook.

If the poll is accurate, then this has been a wake-up call for Christians, and continues to be.

I didn't see anything unreasonable either, what is your point?

With Christianity having the reputation it does today, especially amoung atheists, it is not unreasonable to expect those results.However, Christians should question this, and examine themselves, because if Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light, then why are all these people voting against Christianity?You know this already.

Well put, and I feel the same way.Only one thing is clear when it comes to the gospel according to jar, and that is that nothing is ever actually totally clear.The only impression I get from all of jar's writings on a whole is that he is conforming to the world, and being part of the world, to try and do.... what?Of course as Christians we should all be part of the world, but in our hearts we belong to God. This is the gospel according to jar AAAAmen... now kneel. w00t! And that is where religion starts, well put phat, love ya man!

Well it is a good thing lewis and clark, or columbus didn't think that way. This kind of thought process has been expressed many times in this forum. This is a huge mistake. At no time are we giving up our personal responsibility for our choices.And if you are truely giving up your life to God, then things do not get lazy. things like forgiveness and helping others, or loving them, come at a cost of putting aside our own personal desires.Intially this is hard to do, but then God makes up for it somehow, and that is where the battle ensues.

That's right, every explorer knew where they were going before they left.

Same could be said when searching for God, and answers.What do you think, anyone who believes in God is a dummy, and does so without any evidence, and reason? If a big woo in the sky told me to do something, other than what was already in heart, I would tell him to go fuck himself. huh?evidence of what? Well, I would like to think that doesn't apply to me. Please go read my evidence and faith thread.

That's a pretty funny reply.First you write:
Damn straight. We never have full information. We do NOT know everything and so few things really can be clear. Sorry but we make decisions based on available information.That is all we have available to use.Then:
Do what?Try to do the best you can, try to honestly evaluate what you have done, acknowledge when you have done wrong, try to make amends and try to do better in the future.It really is that simple.But I got to tell you, Probably most if not all religions were started on that premise. So now what?The impression I get from jar's house of religion is that we should all just love each other (which is not bad) and then make up what God is, which could be very dangerous. If you have to ask, then you don't know. It then becomes clear to me, that you have not yet experienced the Holy Spirit.You wanna know something jar? If you are attacking Christians, you still are attacking people. Maybe you won't get to experience the Holy Spirit, until you stop. When God comes to you, and tells you about yourself, and Himself.

By reading the bible, and constantly testing what I feel. The bible may contain a lot of stories, but it is useful for discerning the Holy Spirit.It is subjective jar. You know that you know.I know, and you don't, it is for me, and not you. I can't prove it to you, unless you were over here with me, then I may start to show you, and share with you, what I know.

Well, God finds you. But then there is evidence of that, all be it subjective, and maybe even objective. It is my quest to find a happy medium. If I didn't like what He was saying.
He would have to show me, why He was right, and why I was wrong. No I wouldn't. I believe logic and reason are from God too. That just may be you not being able to follow through to the logical consequences of claims, not being able to discern when claims are contradictory; in general, not being able to think critically or ask appropriate questions before granting tentative assent to a claim.Instead of actually know who I am, and where I am coming from.

How does the equation E=MC2 written on a piece of paper, discern anything? Yes, I planned it, now send me $10 Everyday stuff. You claim you know.We've had this discussion before.And the only true answer is love.

To increase what I already know, and bring me up in the areas I need to be brought up in.For Him to show me more about Love.To have a friend.

My reply was such, because you choose to ignore my point. Such is the search for God.

Just because it is subjective, oes not make it non-evidence. You got a point there. Can you be more specific?
Maybe even bring this over to the evidence and faith thread?
This is an interesting question, and I think we address some of it already. I can't know the answer to that. The bible says He is not wrong.
I can perceive Him as being wrong in my ignorance.Inother words, there are many things I do not understand, and many times I even get angry at God. 1. Sometimes I make mistakes (one of the few to actually admit it)
2. Sometimes people do not understand me, whether it be expressing myself incorrectly, or them reading incorrectly. I have had people explain what I meant to others, many times.
3. People do not even understand what is written in the bible, as did I, and until they have an encounter with God, they will continue to be ignorant.
4. A forum, is not the best communication tool sometimes, when there is too much to say. Some of the things we discuss, take years to understand.

That would be impossible if it was the God who created us. That hasn't happened, and like I said, He would have to show up, and explain to me why.