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Message 6 of 95 (401521)
05-20-2007 1:28 PM
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05-20-2007 1:21 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
The hilarious thing to me is that more atheists, arguably far smaller in number than theists, spend more time at Christian websites than Christians do. Now, why is that?
Same reason as why the monkey house at the zoo is so popular.

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Message 10 of 95 (401559)
05-20-2007 5:40 PM
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Same reason as why the monkey house at the zoo is so popular.
I'm not seeing the correlation.
"They're so much like us."
"They're almost human."

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Message 13 of 95 (401563)
05-20-2007 6:04 PM
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05-20-2007 5:55 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
blugenes writes:
... they might almost be capable of rational thought.
They don't seem to get our humour, though.

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Message 42 of 95 (401930)
05-22-2007 8:07 PM
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05-22-2007 4:31 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Who do you think Nietzsche is talking to here?
I think Nietzsche was paraphrasing Macbeth.
He wasn't talking about "if" God is dead. He was talking about "who" killed God and how they can live with the guilt.
"Who" killed God is anybody who looks at the situation rationally, who doesn't need to postulate a supernatural cause for the wind and the rain, who doesn't need to consult a "Supreme Being" for every tidbit of advice on life.
Everybody who ever thought for himself did his part, slipped his little knife in - et tu, nemesis.
The ones Nietzsche was referring to, the ones who are concerned with cleaning the "damned spot" of blood, are those who think they killed something real.

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Message 50 of 95 (402116)
05-24-2007 1:04 PM
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05-24-2007 12:32 PM


Re: She is almost human!
Phat writes:
I am personally curious why some people are so resistant to belief...
It's not resistance to belief per se - it's resistance to dependance on belief. Belief should never be anything but a fall-back position - it should never try to trump knowledge.
...as if they are afraid they will look stupid or something.
It's not fear of "looking" stupid so much as fear of being stupid.
A stupid person can have the strongest faith in the world. Does it make him less stupid?
Santa Claus is one thing. The idea of a Creator who interacts or has interacted personally with humanity is quite another, at least in my acceptance.
"In my acceptance", there is no difference whatsoever between belief in Santa Claus and (some people's) belief in God. Go ahead, start a topic. I dare ya.
What makes you think that communing with God is in any way dysfunctional or promoting willful ignorance?
Once again, it's the reliance on "communion with God" that is "dysfunctional".
The typical Christian modus operandi is to "ask God for guidance" and "consult the scriptures" before making a decision. But in what way did that decision not come from your own mind?
If the results are good, you give God the credit. If the results are bad, you blame yourself - you weren't listening hard enough. How is that not dysfunctional?
I think that people look for too many answers in test-tubes and secular psychological paradigms...
The question is, "Do the test-tubes and psychological paradigms work?"
... instead of praying and meditating...
And how does praying and meditating work in comparison?
When your car won't start, do you pray or do you open the hood? When you have a pain, do you pray or do you go to the doctor?
There's nothing wrong with praying while looking under the hood or while on your way to the doctor - but prayer is not a substitute for practical action.
... allowing the human subconscious to intermingle in Communion with the Divine...
'Twas brillig and the slithy toves.....
... answers unobtainable through secular humanism and scientific empiricism.
Do you decide the answers are "unobtainable" before or after you try to find them?
Edited by Ringo, : "unattainable" --> "unobtainable".

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Message 67 of 95 (402584)
05-28-2007 2:50 PM
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05-27-2007 7:56 PM


Re: Rational Conclusions or Easy Answers?
Phat writes:
Other people are never satisfied with any answer.
Being satisfied with an answer implies that one has the perfect answer, there is nothing left to learn. Is that really what you mean when you say, "Jesus is the answer"?

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Message 77 of 95 (402663)
05-29-2007 10:57 AM
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05-28-2007 8:19 PM


Re: She is almost human!
riVeRraT writes:
If a big woo in the sky told me to do something, other than what was already in heart, I would tell him to go fuck himself.
Then what do you need the big woo for?

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Message 85 of 95 (402856)
05-30-2007 11:18 AM
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05-30-2007 9:33 AM


riVeRraT writes:
Then what do you need the big woo for?
To increase what I already know, and bring me up in the areas I need to be brought up in.
So, what if the "increase" conflicts with what you already know? What if something you hear from the big woo goes against something you thought you already knew? What if the big woo tells you to do something that you used to think was wrong?
It all comes down to: How do you know it's the big woo and not just a big delusion?

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