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pink sasquatch
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Message 16 of 120 (277307)
01-08-2006 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by johnfolton
01-08-2006 7:40 PM


Re: a spokesperson (We the People or We the Judges)?
I agree that these watchmen are speaking from faith from a christian point of view.

Even when they suggest the use of nuclear weapons against their own government? Or the assassination of world leaders? Or praying for a Supreme Court justice's health to fail? Or use charitable funds for their own materialistic gain?

How, exactly, does that mesh with a Christian point of view?

Liberal activist judges have forced their individual beliefs upon the church.

Do you have a specific example of this that you would reference, please?

Yet bypassing a congressional request, these activist judges killed Terry Shivo in complete defiance of Congress. (We the People have become We the judges). Its about the liberal agenda to silence the churches right to freely exercise their religious beliefs.

Actually, you have it completely backwards. The conservatives tried to prevent Terry Schiavo from freely exercising her religious beliefs by preventing her from passing on from this world to the next in the manner of her choosing.


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pink sasquatch
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Message 17 of 120 (277308)
01-08-2006 8:16 PM
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01-08-2006 8:11 PM


Re: Anti-family values
Gay marriage is an example of anti-family values.

Since gay marriage will lead to more families, it is obviously pro-family, not anti-family.

The people trying to stop it are the ones that are anti-family.


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jar
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Message 18 of 120 (277309)
01-08-2006 8:18 PM
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01-08-2006 8:06 PM


Pro-family values
Gay marriage is an example of Christ-like behavior. How is the Christian right wing supporting it?

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Message 19 of 120 (277310)
01-08-2006 8:18 PM
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01-08-2006 7:40 PM


Re: a spokesperson (We the People or We the Judges)?
Anti-family values? Robertson advocating killing Chavez certainly could lead to depriving Chavez's kids of a daddy! What are you thinking, Golfer?
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Message 20 of 120 (277317)
01-08-2006 8:34 PM
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01-08-2006 8:06 PM


Re: Anti-family values
nwr writes:

quote:
Yes, right, you got it - its the conservatives, the right wing who are financing and profiting from what you consider to be "pushing anti-family values".

And often the connection is a direct one. Watch any random segment on Fox News and listen to the self-rightous protectors of religious liberty going on and on about how our culture is bound for hell, then check the lovely family-themed fare of the Fox Broadcast Network: wonderful, wholesome, Christian programming like Trading Spouses, Who Wants To Marry A Millionaire?, The Simpsons, Married With Children, MADtv, That 70s Show...

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nwr
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Message 21 of 120 (277323)
01-08-2006 8:49 PM
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01-08-2006 8:11 PM


Re: Anti-family values
Gay marriage is an example of anti-family values. How exactly is the right wing pushing this?

To the extent that it is pushed on the media, it is pushed for profit by mainly right wing business execs.

Others have commented on whether it is anti-family.


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nator
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Message 22 of 120 (277329)
01-08-2006 9:17 PM
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01-08-2006 8:11 PM


Re: Anti-family values
How exactly is gay-marriage being "pushed" by the media? It seems to be a grassroots effort that is getting little if any help from the media. Other than a low-budget documentary I came across at midnight on a PBS station, once (you know, the kind of documentary where the director/camera operator/caterer are all the same person, that the sound person has the same last name!).
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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 23 of 120 (277332)
01-08-2006 9:34 PM
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01-08-2006 7:40 PM


Re: a spokesperson (We the People or We the Judges)?
you mean like 'conservative' activist judges pushing their religious beliefs on our constitution?

sure not any particular justice has it right (except maybe o'connor. she was awesome), but if you're going to make the same rampant, meaningless accusations as the rest of your people, at least look it up and make sure it means something first. hint: it doesn't.
the constitution has been interpretted to include privacy protections. thus, my medical care is not your business or that of the government.

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Message 24 of 120 (277333)
01-08-2006 9:40 PM
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01-08-2006 8:34 PM


Re: Anti-family values
fox is a network which has made a long-standing tradition of giving the people what they want to see. they pander to extremists of all kinds.

besides. the marriages shows are a perfect example of a true christian marriage search. find someone who agrees with your values and can give you lots of kids and marry them before you have a chance to do anything dirty. not my fault then tend to do such on the show.

i hate those programs. so gross. like twenty years of dating in a week, complete with stds and alcoholism.


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Faith
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Message 25 of 120 (277338)
01-08-2006 9:50 PM
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01-08-2006 8:49 PM


Re: Anti-family values
It is simply one thing on the list of anti-family values of the Christian right. Maybe I missed what the connection was with the media's role, but your comment made no sense to me. The idea that the right is pushing these values makes no sense if this is considered by them to be one of them. I still don't get what you're saying. Others on the anti-family values list are abortion, condoms in the schools, pornography and so on.
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jar
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Message 26 of 120 (277340)
01-08-2006 9:56 PM
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01-08-2006 8:49 PM


Christian Family Values
Same sex marriage is simply one thing on the list of pro-family values of the right Christian. Others on the Christian pro-family values list are abortion rights, condoms in the schools, sex-education in EVERY school and so on.

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nwr
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Message 27 of 120 (277341)
01-08-2006 9:57 PM
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01-08-2006 9:50 PM


Re: Anti-family values
I still don't get what you're saying.

I am not saying that the entire right is pushing them.

I am saying that those who are pushing them on the media are often from the right.

If you consider condoms anti-family value, may I assume that you consider AIDS infections to be pro-family value?


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arachnophilia
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Message 28 of 120 (277344)
01-08-2006 10:01 PM
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01-08-2006 9:57 PM


Re: Anti-family values
may I assume that you consider AIDS infections to be pro-family value?

it's funny that the anti-darwinists are often the same people as the social darwinists.


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Faith
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Message 29 of 120 (277345)
01-08-2006 10:04 PM
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01-08-2006 9:57 PM


Re: Anti-family values
I haven't said one word about my own position on any of this and don't intend to. It's not the topic and I didn't join the thread except to inquire what on earth you were talking about. I still don't get it but I've also lost interest.
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Mr. Ex Nihilo
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Message 30 of 120 (277356)
01-08-2006 11:17 PM
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01-08-2006 4:59 PM


I guess I'll just note that I actually like James Dobson. I've read several of his books and enjoyed them immensely.

I will admit that there was a recent incident where he made some kind of bizarre connection stating that SpongeBob Squarepants was actually a cartoon which had a hidden agenda for homosexuality and lesbianism -- to which I thoroughly scratched my head saying, "Buh?"

I realize that other's here might not like what Dobson says. I myself do not necessarilly agree with everything he says -- especially theologically. But, on the whole, I do enjoy reading his material. His book "Love for a Lifetime" was excellent.

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