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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Is it just a remnant of people equating someone blowing a smoke like substance with cigarettes or something else known to be harmful? I don't know, but that seems pretty much it. People are being really irrational about it. I was at the NIN concert here in St. Louis vaping away on the floor, a security guard came up and said "you can't smoke in here". I said, "this isn't smoke". he goes: "I don't care, you can't do that either." And I was all: "dude, there a fog machine 15 feet to my left, its going to fill this place with fog in few minutes, this stuff is practically the same as that". He wasn't having any of it. Anyways, I didn't let him "see" me vaping after that. So, they've also got what they call "drip tanks". Its a metal coil wrapped around a cotton like substance that heats up. Anyways, you can get weed "wax", which is kinda like hash, but processed from buds. And you can use the wax in a drip tank and vape weed instead of nicotine ![]()
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 1164 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
You would do well to just read the book instead of basing your opinions on the introduction or reviews on Amazon. It was a mistake for me to even engage you in conversation because you twist EVERYTHING to suit your beliefs, even topics that have nothing whatsoever to do with them.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 836 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
Perhaps people would rather not be dosed with nicotine? I know it's an improvement over tobacco smoke but can't smokers/e-ciggers stop sharing the waste product of their addiction?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 1164 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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Is there nicotine in the exhaled vapor? I would think that defeats the purpose of ingesting the nicotine if you don't actually ingest it. Also, what about the nicotine free vaporizers?
Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Perhaps people would rather not be dosed with nicotine? Then you better also stay away from tomatoes, potatoes, cauliflower, eggplant...
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Then you better also stay away from tomatoes, potatoes, cauliflower, eggplant... I like tomatoes, but if you use that as an excuse to pelt me with vegetables, then it's on and popping.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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subbie Member (Idle past 1617 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Well, maybe it's early, I don't know, but I really don't think I'm going to need any help. About the only difficulty I'm having is being a bit edgy, and that seems to be ebbing. I recognize that for some people, quitting is very difficult, but apparently not for me. So far.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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kjsimons Member Posts: 836 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
Of course there is, do you really think you would absorb 100% of it. The air we breathe is about 20% oxygen and even though we would die without it, we the air we exhale is about 16% oxygen. I haven't found any data on how much nicotine is breathed out when using e-cigs, but I would assume at least some would be.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 1164 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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do you really think you would absorb 100% of it. I don't know which is why I am refraining from reacting as if I do know.
I haven't found any data on how much nicotine is breathed out when using e-cigs, but I would assume at least some would be. But you feel confident that you should react as if you DO know how much nicotine is breathed out and you are certain it is a non-negligable amount that will most certainly cause you problems? Do you really think that whatver nicotine that is exhaled from an electronic cigarette is worse than what is already in the air?Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 836 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
Now you're just being a troll. The amount of nicotine in vegetables is miniscule compared to the amount in cigarettes.
The nicotine contents of vegetables http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199308053290619 The New England Journal of Medicine study also says: "Of course, the route of absorption is quite different in eating as compared with inhaling. Furthermore, if the vegetables are thoroughly cooked, the nicotine will diffuse into the cooking water and less will be ingested."
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 1164 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
The amount of nicotine in vegetables is miniscule compared to the amount in cigarettes. But we aren't talking about cigarettes. Try a relevant comparison.
Now you're just being a troll. As much as EvC likes to think so, this is not a valid response simply because you disagree with someone. the label of troll around here is utterly meaningless because you all toss it around to everyone with a differing opinion.Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 836 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
Nicotine is a known poison and yet you seem to thing you should be able to spew it out where ever you are without any regard to anyone else. Just keep it to yourself is all I ask. Now it may not be a very high risk but as a non-smoker, I resent having to breathe it in just because vapers and smokers are too selfish to think about other people.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 1164 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Try arguing with facts and data instead of emotion. this will prove nearly impossible since the electonic cigarett market/vaping is severely lacking in reputable study and is often touted as being actually healthy.
yet you seem to thing you should be able to spew it out where ever you are without any regard to anyone else. Said no one in this thread except you. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 836 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
It was a valid response to him. He just threw out the fact that some vegetables have detectable levels of nicotine in them without following up with if it would actually be absorbed. I provided some links that about that.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 836 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
Here is a link to secondhand vapor for e-cigs:
Secondhand vapor from e-cigarettes contains nicotine but not other toxins: study — New York Daily News Basically saying that yes, as any reasonably person would conclude, they do release nicotine into the air but more study is needed to determine if this is harmful. And yes I do believe that adding more shit into the air, especially inside a building, is only going to be worse than not adding anything into the air.
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