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Message 106 of 180 (401216)
05-18-2007 5:29 PM
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05-18-2007 5:27 PM


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One can never recognize all of anyone's needs, even one's own.
Yes one can if one is at the pinnacle of human reasoning.

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crashfrog
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Message 107 of 180 (401217)
05-18-2007 5:32 PM
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05-18-2007 11:48 AM


Re: I have a different take on abusing prescription drugs
Because "boredom" is not a medical condition.
Neither is depression. Depression is a psychological condition, which is why psychiatrists are the ones who prescribe for it.
There's no diagnostic test for depression - or rather, the only test is "prescribe SSRI's and see if it goes away."
"Wanting to get high" isn't a disorder at all.
Says you. If it's an undesired state interfering with normal functioning - you know, like hunger can be: "OMG I'm so hungry I can't even think!" - then clearly it's a condition that reasonable adults should have the option to have "treated." Especially when we're talking about drugs that are completely natural and non-toxic, like cannabis.
"Wanting to bodily harm someone when they really piss you off" isn't a disorder either.
I'm sure your husband can tell you what thoughts of aggression, violence, and rage constitute. It's enough of a disorder that when a person has those feelings a lot, we mandate treatment for them.
Anxiety and restless leg syndrome, however, can interfere with all aspects of a person's life and can even shorten one's life.
C'mon. "Restless leg syndrome" shortens people's lives?
No one has ever literally been bored to death.
Nobody's literally ever been anxious to death, either. And the vast majority of people with depression don't kill themselves; clearly you're very accepting of medications to treat a number of quasi-conditions - yet, you're dubious of the idea of taking drugs for pleasure, unless it's a certain narrow list of "ok" drugs, like caffeine and alcohol - both of which are thousands of times more dangerous and deadly than, say, marijuana - upon which it is impossible to overdose.
Then you were probably hastily misdiagnosed and prescribed a medication that you didn't need.
There was nothing hasty about it. I saw several mental health professionals and consulted our family's doctor, who had known me since birth. They all agreed that I should start taking Celexa - because taking the drug is the only diagnostic test for depression. And it isn't even a reliable diagnostic. Plenty of people with "real" depression don't respond to SSRI's - because they don't really know how they work.
I don't think they should hand out drugs like candy for emotional problems.
Why? Because you have a moral objection to pharmacology? If a remedy is cheap, effective, and has limited side effects, from what basis would you deny someone "the easy way" to treat an undesirable condition? Your own moral belief that suffering makes us better people? Makes our lives meaningful?
Why do you let people medicate themselves with caffeine? Surely being tired from not getting enough sleep isn't a "disorder", either? But you don't have a problem with that use of psychoactive drugs, do you?

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Message 108 of 180 (401218)
05-18-2007 5:32 PM
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05-18-2007 5:29 PM


You won't be able to debate any topic when you're drunk, subbie.

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crashfrog
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Message 109 of 180 (401219)
05-18-2007 5:34 PM
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05-18-2007 5:29 PM


Yes one can if one is at the pinnacle of human reasoning.
A position you no doubt consider yourself to hold. How blessed are we that you would deign to shine the light of your sun down upon us lowly, benighted savages!

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Message 110 of 180 (401220)
05-18-2007 5:35 PM
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05-18-2007 5:32 PM


As I said, you name it, as long as I'm moderately familiar with it.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 111 of 180 (401221)
05-18-2007 5:35 PM


As much as I am enriching all of your lives, I must tend to my own personal projects. Good luck to you all.

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Message 112 of 180 (401223)
05-18-2007 5:36 PM
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05-18-2007 5:35 PM


Chicken!

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crashfrog
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Message 113 of 180 (401224)
05-18-2007 5:37 PM
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05-18-2007 5:20 PM


Or eat sugar to excess.
But you do have some, which makes you as immoral as the rest of us, I guess. (As if we didn't already know that.)
No, we can't. My statement ends it. Why? It's correct.
"I'm right because I say I'm right." Who knew that the pinnacle of human reasoning was indistinguishable from second-grade playground antics?

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Message 114 of 180 (401229)
05-18-2007 6:00 PM
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05-18-2007 5:37 PM


quote:
But you do have some, which makes you as immoral as the rest of us, I guess. (As if we didn't already know that.)
That's the stupidest thing I have ever read.
Sugar doesn't impair one's ability to reason.
Edited by -messenjah of one, : sentence

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Message 115 of 180 (401238)
05-18-2007 6:46 PM


I think its time we all ignore MOO's trolling.

  
crashfrog
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Message 116 of 180 (401239)
05-18-2007 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Trump won
05-18-2007 6:00 PM


Sugar doesn't impair one's ability to reason.
At your age, it does.

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Message 117 of 180 (401242)
05-18-2007 7:24 PM
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05-18-2007 6:49 PM


In excess, perhaps. But an orange most certainly doesn't impair my ability to reason.

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crashfrog
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Message 118 of 180 (401243)
05-18-2007 7:28 PM
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05-18-2007 7:24 PM


But an orange most certainly doesn't impair my ability to reason.
No, in your case it's definitely something else. Only you can tell us why the reasoning you're displaying in these posts is so impaired.

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Message 119 of 180 (401244)
05-18-2007 7:31 PM
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05-18-2007 7:28 PM


Nice, hopping around the fact that you are wrong.

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crashfrog
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Message 120 of 180 (401245)
05-18-2007 7:41 PM
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05-18-2007 7:31 PM


No, it's your double standard. You're the one who's talking about how immoral it is to make changes to your brain chemistry, but every time you eat a meal, that's exactly what you're doing.
Of course, you've moved the goalposts - now it's "impaired reason", and the only person who gets to determine if reason is impaired is you. This, after you proclaimed yourself the pinnacle of human thought.
Uh-huh.

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