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Legend

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Message 17 of 152 (350211)
09-19-2006 8:11 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
09-18-2006 3:39 PM

Muslim ignorance

I agree in that Muslims are not doing their cause any good like this.

Having read the Pope's speech, I must say they totally missed (wilfully?) the context of what he said.

But even if he had been condemning Islam, so what ? People should have the right to condemn each others' religion all they like. It's called 'free speech'.

The irony is that they've even burned down Orthodox churches (Israel | Fox News ). The Orthodox Church of course has nothing whatsoever to do with the Pope.

It's funny how the same people who accuse others of being ignorant of their religion are themselves totally ignorant of other religions.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Message 26 of 152 (350260)
09-19-2006 11:01 AM

Reply to: Message 19 by Chiroptera
09-19-2006 9:05 AM

Re: Muslim ignorance

Chiroptera writes:

Yes, and so is the condemnation of that condemnation. Seeing that so far it appears that actual violent reactions like church burnings are few and far between and pretty much confined to known war zones that have no shortage of atrocities, anti-Christian or otherwise, and that Muslim reaction seems to be mostly confined to demonstrations, then you should have no problem, eh? I mean, seeing that you are all for free speech and all.

You seem to be equating free speech with violent demonstrations and the burning of churches.

Free speech is -as the name suggests- the freedom to say what you like not do what you like.

Chiroptera writes:

The irony is seeing how people are condemining all Muslims by the actions of a few and then complaining when some Muslims (which ironically becomes all Muslims) act as if all Christians are the same.

Noone (certainly not me) is condemning all Muslims . I am condemning the ones who burn other peoples's churches because they remotely resemble the churches of a religious leader who they think is ignorant of their religion.

You know, the ones who demonstrate how peaceful their faith is by having violent demonstrations (but I forget, it's in known war zones so that doesn't count).

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend

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Message 33 of 152 (350295)
09-19-2006 12:21 PM

Reply to: Message 28 by Chiroptera
09-19-2006 11:27 AM

Re: Muslim ignorance

chiroptera writes:

I suppose that it would seem that way to someone who has a learning disability. To someone who has reasonably proficient reading skills, it would be clear that I pointed out that it seems to be that the violence has not been very wide spread and fairly localized to areas that are suffering from general unrest due to ongoing warfare.

damn those learning disabilities! How else could I have deduced that when you wrote:

Chiroptera writes:

Seeing that so far it appears that actual violent reactions like church burnings are few and far between and pretty much confined to known war zones that have no shortage of atrocities, anti-Christian or otherwise, and that Muslim reaction seems to be mostly confined to demonstrations, then you should have no problem, eh? I mean, seeing that you are all for free speech and all

(emphasis is mine)

you didn't really equate my support for free speech with support for limited violent reactions and church burnings (naturally justified if it's in confined war zones ofcourse)

this autistic person humbly offer his apologies.

Chiroptera writes:

Of course, even if the demonstrations are violent, one still should examine the entire historical and political context in which this is occurring rather than jumping into the "Muslims this, muslim that" rhetoric which would only serve to further inflame the situation.

Agreed. When I start using this rhetoric come back to me and we'll talk.

Legend- referring to Muslims who react violently and burn churches writes:

I agree in that Muslims are not doing their cause any good like this.
Having read the Pope's speech, I must say they totally missed (wilfully?) the context of what he said.

Chiroptera writes:

It sounds fairly general to me, and considering some of the anti-Muslim "They are all out to kill us!" rhetoric that we've seen on this very board, I wonder whether it is really too much to ask people to be a little more careful in expressing what they mean.

?? so...using the same reasoning, when I'm responding to, say, iano or Faith and I say something like 'Christians piss me off ' (as I have done) am I saying that the totality of Christianity (every single one of 2.5 billion people) piss me off or is it just iano, Faith and people who think / act like them ??

Get off your high horse and get real!

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend

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Message 48 of 152 (350448)
09-19-2006 6:23 PM

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09-19-2006 1:52 PM

Re: Muslim ignorance

chiroptera writes:

There are people who, like me, actually do take a dim view of religions like Christianity (and Islam, for that matter) in general. Such a view point is not uncommon. I mean, if you were just referring to Faith and/or iano, why wouldn't you say, "Fundamentalists" or "Literalists" or "Christians like you"?

Because I don't feel I have to. I let the context of the conversation dictate the meaning of phrases and words.

If people want to quote-mine what I say for whatever reason, that's fine.

However, unlike the Pope, I'm not going to say sorry if what I say gets misconstrued.

BTW, if I had posted something on "Christian ignorance" I doubt very much whether you -or anyone else- would even hint at suggesting that I might be inflaming things with my anti-Christian rhetoric and such.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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