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Author Topic:   Using your common sense to solve a physics problem.
Mammuthus
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Message 160 of 188 (145624)
09-29-2004 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by riVeRraT
09-29-2004 7:08 AM


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Common sense can prevail in a lot of situations vs. education. But I this happen mostly in the medical field.
Can you cite a study, statistical analysis, independent source to back up that common sense prevails vs. education particularly in the medical sciences? I am curious, if you need surgery are you going to go to a trained doctor with an "education" or are you going to go to someone with "common sense" trusting that they know where to make the proper incision and hope you survive? Similarly, can you show an example of an uneducated person who has developed drugs using common sense approaches prevailing over the years of study most biologists and chemists have to go through in order to learn how to develope medicines? It appears your thesis is that the route to wisdom is to be as uninformed as possible. The history of discovery (including medical science) stands against this assertion.

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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 6475 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
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Message 165 of 188 (145901)
09-30-2004 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by riVeRraT
09-29-2004 10:59 PM


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Hi riVerRrat,
I am sorry that you went through that. However, you are conflating an idiot of a doctor with the science of medicine. I of course can give you plenty of anecdotes about incompetent doctors (especially in Germany). But anecdotes don't amount to much. The foundations of medical science are based on methodological naturalism and NOT common sense. The methods of diagnosis and the treatments were not developed by people with no education but common sense. Note, you turned to a specialist to identify the tumor...you did not rely on common sense for a diagnosis.

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Mammuthus
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Message 168 of 188 (145914)
09-30-2004 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by riVeRraT
09-30-2004 6:42 AM


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I do not rely on my common sense for everything, I never stated that. That would be foolish. I have said this before, I know nothing.
I did not claim that you know nothing. I am disagreeing with your earlier stance that common sense often prevails against education and /or methodological naturalism. Not knowing the background of a subject is not a way to gain special insight into that subject. Gut feeling and a sense that you are right is not going to solve how genetic imprinting works for example. At least not without knowing a lot about genetics and imprinting with which to even have a chance of getting a gut feeling about how it works. One of the reasons methodological naturalism developed was because appeals to authority, supernatural beings, and common sense do not allow ones understanding of the natural world to advance.

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Mammuthus
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Message 180 of 188 (145946)
09-30-2004 9:21 AM
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09-30-2004 8:39 AM


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what I am getting at is that without any education, common sense will not help you solve scientific problems. You have been advocating that common sense alone prevails. In fact, most scientists who have made major discoveries or developed major theories have uncommon sense as they have been able to realize things that the common majority have not.

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