God lurks among us...at EVC

Jesus said we must be baptised by water, and by spirit. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit doesn't dwell within all of us. The Holy Spirit is the one who convicts us when we do something wrong. That is the big mistake that the churches make today, they are to busy convicting instead of loving. mo=moment? EvC Forum: Salvation by faith and works : intellectually ridiculous?I replied to you a few days ago. What does *-ed mean? My prayer is that nobody is in a category. We are headed for the same place, even though our paths are different.
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EvC Forum: How do we classfiy people?
A question of how do we classify people, I claim that we shouldn't. I am not for categorizing people. It's like judging them, or it can lead to that. I believe what I believe, and you believe what you want to, that is fine. We will either get along or we won't. which is irrelevant to what we believe.

Sorry rR. I missed your post in the the maelstrom. I won't answer it however - not that you haven't interesting things to say but simply because the thread was going off topic and has been pulled back nearer to that for which it was posed. I'm loath to help back off track again.From what you say there and here, I'll shift you off the Faith Alone adherant list. A '*' placed by your name (by me) identified you (according to my opinion) as a faith alone adherant for the purposes of considering the data given. Like I say, I thought it was the case but if you are it is not apparent from what you say. For instance: The faith alone position would hold that a person must be in Christ to be saved and that this occurs (if it occurs) when a person is born again/from above/of spirit. The position before being put into Christ is that one is in Adam and is wicked, ungodly and completely lacking in righteous. They are doomed if they die in that in Adam 'category'. This is not to say that only those professing the faith alone position are the only ones in Christ. One can be in Christ without knowing or agreeing with (intellectually), the faith alone doctrine.I'll un-aterisk your name when I update. If any offence caused by the presumption (either way) then my apologies.Ian

Yes, God will be crucified just like everyone else who believes in Creation.

We really only have the bible when trying to determine who gets into heaven or not.If we are to be in Christ to get in, well then He came to save, not to judge.Also Christians are hung up on John 3:16But John 3:16 is the trial, John 3:19-21 is the verdict.
I believe the first 17 years of my life is best represented by John 3:21 and at no point did I feel like I was going to hell. I still don't.We are not alone in this life, and I believe every word spoken has an accountability factor to it. If anything I could go to hell for something I said to another person that might keep them from knowing the Lord. Not for my own faith.

For those of us who believe that God is a human construct to begin with, you are quite right. You can wish Him out of existance at any moment!For those of us who believe that God created all matter, all truth, all wisdom, all love, and, by definition, all humanity long befor we had a chance to imagine Him---I think you will have a harder time dealing with this God. Like it or not, humanity is accountable to something beyond ourselves. Playtime is over!

I think it is, Phat, that inkorrect was actually using this "playful" thread to admonish those who do not agree with him...

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"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St. Augustine

Hello Cookie. Interesting thread.I got one. What if it's you? God asking questions as to whom it could be when all the while the one initiating the question was the answer. God resides in South Africa... Isn't Africa the cradle of homo sapiens? All hail....Cookie!

I disagree. He tells me I'm not going to hell, and that a fair few people I know aren't either. He doesn't tell me who is going to hell. He gives me their attributes okay, but I cannot say for certain whether a person died with those attributes. Not even Hitler. That gives me hope. Its why I'm here. ? For the first 38 years of my life I never felt like I was going to hell - simply because I never considered nor believed in it. Now I know I'm not. Typical God. The day you get to really realise that hell exists is the day you find out your not going there. And you spend the rest of your days wondering why not. "..away from me you evildoers, for I never knew you"I've heard of the salvation by faith alone position. I've heard of the slavation by faith and works position. I've never heard of a position where a persons salvation depended upon riverRat.This message has been edited by iano, 26-Apr-2006 12:59 AMThis message has been edited by iano, 26-Apr-2006 01:21 AM

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My avatar shows a thief-on-the-cross view of Jesus. One thief said "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom". The other remained firmly nailed (spiritually) to the sin that had hung him (physically) there - even as he stared eternity in the face. Who do YOU say that Jesus is? Will you continue to mock him, spit on him and deny him. Or will you call on his name and be saved? "Lord...."

There is only one presence of God among us. To Christians, the apostle Paul wrote: Know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit? I Corinthians 3:16,17, 6:19How does the Holy Spirit get into one's body? By receiving Jesus as savior, i.e, the Spirit of Jesus which is that Holy Spirit. John 1:12, I John 5:11,12)Jesus said that Nicodemus had to be born from above by God's spirit to enter into God's kingdom/realm. (John 3:3) So there you have it. Whoever among us is born of God's spirit has God's spirit dwelling in their very bodies; thus God among us (abe: here at EvC), undeserving as we are. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 04-25-2006 09:24 PM

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Yes who crucified God? It was those religious leaders. Oneday we will all stand before Him for everything that we said and everything we did including what we wrote in this forum. We may deny His existence. What if we are wrong?

I...err...can niether confirm nor...umm...deny the statement...Interestingly, who's to say that God knows if God is God in the first place...

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"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St. Augustine

He craves our belief in order to convince Himself of His own existence.

It could be...Of course it also could be that our reality was accidently created in a wad of chewing gum God spat out, and forgot about...

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"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St. Augustine

Your response describes exactly what I am talking about.
Who told you your not going to hell? Jesus himself, or your interpretation of the bible? Romans explains to be with Christ, you need to be in Christ. Inother words it's a constant thing, not a one time decision. Part of being in Christ is not judging, but saving. I agree, but what I was saying is that looking back on it, even though I wasn't even really sure about God, and knowing what I know now, I don't think I would have gone to hell has I died before "accepting Christ" or being baptized in the Spirit. That is a wrong assumption. I would not be able to save anyone, but I might help keep them from it. Or at least from the "name".All representatives of Christ can be guilty of this.If someone is seeking God, and they go to a church and get hosed by a preist or scammed by a minister, isn't it understandable to be confused about God for awhile? Aren't these people held accountable for their actions?