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New Cat's Eye
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Message 19 of 90 (247376)
09-29-2005 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Parasomnium
09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Could've been more helpful
we decided to use technology we have developed to manipulate information through time to relay the message back to their ancestors in the past, i.e. you.
Why not tell us how to get this technology? It would be a lot easier to avoid our devistation if they did.
About two and a half years ago, however, it was devastated by an asteroid impact.
This impact should be of more importance. Seems like it would have worked if the martian colony survived. Why not stress this more in the message?
It all happened so quickly that by mid march 2114, more than half of the world's population had died.
Why not give us a little more info about the symptoms and which cure attempts failed so we are better prepared this time around?
Seems like they could have done a better job in their attempt to save humanity.
We're boned.

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Message 24 of 90 (247441)
09-29-2005 8:45 PM
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09-29-2005 6:22 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
Perhaps most of the people with the know-hows were already dead.
It was the aliens from the 100th century that had the know-how, not the humans.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 25 of 90 (247444)
09-29-2005 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Omnivorous
09-29-2005 7:44 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
Having satisfied minimal ethical requirements, the aliens were then free to indulge in a little Intelligent Design on a verdant planet well-recovered from our depredations.
They might as well not even given us a chance with the message in the first place.
Besides, I was talking about the human's efforts not the aliens.
This message has been edited by Catholic Scientist, 09-29-2005 08:18 PM

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 27 of 90 (247507)
09-30-2005 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Omnivorous
09-29-2005 9:46 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
So you mean the lame all-our-apes-in-one-dome Martian settlement?
I'm sorry, I don't get it.
I wondered about that, too, but I assumed tax cuts for the wealthy caused a budget crunch.
lol, I don't get what you mean by this either...maybe I'm stupid.
My point was that the people that left the message for the aliens (and us) could have left more information(for us).

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 62 of 90 (247787)
09-30-2005 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Parasomnium
09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
{Added by edit: The message has disappeared. Is this what was meant with the message being "lost soon after its appearance"?}
I thought it was lost when the website stopped existing.
but I was able to retrieve the text from cache
Can't you just do that again?
This message has been edited by [omitted], 30-Sep-2005 05:38 PM
I guess [omitted] did it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 64 of 90 (247799)
09-30-2005 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Omnivorous
09-30-2005 9:39 AM


Re: I was too obscure.
In response to the aliens' warning, we built a settlement--one settlement--on Mars; it was destroyed by an asteroid strike. Thus, "all our apes in one dome" like all our eggs in one basket.
So, instead of builing multiple settlements(which could be too difficult or expensive[because of the tax cuts]), all we have to do is prevent the asteroid from destroying the settlement. Then the earthlings all die and the marslings live on. The problem with this is that if the marslings live then they don't send the message and we end up not knowing about the asteroid in the first place, or do we?
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 87 of 90 (248601)
10-03-2005 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Parasomnium
10-02-2005 6:35 PM


Solution
I still haven't seen a post from anyone telling us how to avoid this disaster
Message 64
My solution was prevent the asteroid from destroying the colony on mars. The only problem I see with this is that the message wouldn't be sent, but I still think we would survive.
(So yes, I did write it.)
What gave it away for me was when you asked, after the meesage was edited out of the OP, 'Was this what they meant by the message being lost?'
Good job though, I like it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 90 of 90 (248699)
10-03-2005 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Parasomnium
10-03-2005 4:24 PM


Re: Solution
Even if that were feasible, then it's not the solution I had in mind.
Its almost feasible with todays technology so I'd say in this senario it is definately feasible. If the colony on mars is not destroyed then the disaster, the extinction of all humans, is avoided.
Sorry, no Post-Of-The-Month yet.
That's ok, i don't care about the POTM.
if something from the future changes the past so that the future cannot happen the way it happened before, then it may not be possible to change the past from that changed future
Then what about the first time the infection happened, before the first message was sent?
The message couldn't have been created until the virus occured and the first time the message was sent back the future, and past, was altered. I think the senario implies that it is possible to change the past form the changed future.
So this time around, when the colony is saved there in no message sent and humans survive. The message that we just recieved (i mean you typed) is the second one mentioned. The humans that wrote it mentioned receiving a message and that is why they created the colony on mars. The first time the virus happened, there probably wasn't an effort to make a colony on mars because the virus was unknown. Now, that colony was destroyed so they sent the message again because they didn't no the asteroid was comming. This time we know its comming and can take anther step towards survival. Its seems that every time around the senario would change a little. I don't think it could be an endless loop that would never stop because it would be impossible for the loop to start.
But my goal with this thread was twofold: to have a little fun with a riddle, and to discuss time-travel paradoxes. The latter we have done, and can continue to do.
Consider your goals achieved.
But the riddle remains to be solved.
if you say so...
Here's a hint: the message indirectly causes the plague. The question is: how?
The Message writes:
Earth launched a mission to retrieve them and they made it back to earth in six months time. Then, in december 2113, the viral infection started.
Since the virus started after visiting mars the virus must have come from mars and the message is what made us go to mars in the first place, indirectly causing the virus.
But this ruins my previous solution because I said that the first time the virus happened we hadn't gone to mars so either way I'll consider it solved. Unless you say that it isn't again.

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