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Modulous
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Message 16 of 90 (247308)
09-29-2005 1:05 PM
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09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Message from the future about a great threat to humanity
This sounds like the plot from an Alastair Reynolds book.

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Message 17 of 90 (247372)
09-29-2005 5:39 PM
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09-29-2005 12:06 PM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
Jacen writes:
Is that all of it?
Yes, that's all I found.
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Message 18 of 90 (247374)
09-29-2005 5:45 PM
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Re: Message from the future about a great threat to humanity
Modulous writes:
This sounds like the plot from an Alastair Reynolds book.
I read your link and the only similarity I found was this:
quote:
Thanks to an experimental system called Exordium, the Conjoiners are receiving messages from the future, warning them of the danger that humanity is in.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 19 of 90 (247376)
09-29-2005 6:00 PM
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09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Could've been more helpful
we decided to use technology we have developed to manipulate information through time to relay the message back to their ancestors in the past, i.e. you.
Why not tell us how to get this technology? It would be a lot easier to avoid our devistation if they did.
About two and a half years ago, however, it was devastated by an asteroid impact.
This impact should be of more importance. Seems like it would have worked if the martian colony survived. Why not stress this more in the message?
It all happened so quickly that by mid march 2114, more than half of the world's population had died.
Why not give us a little more info about the symptoms and which cure attempts failed so we are better prepared this time around?
Seems like they could have done a better job in their attempt to save humanity.
We're boned.

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Message 20 of 90 (247379)
09-29-2005 6:22 PM
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09-29-2005 6:00 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
Perhaps most of the people with the know-hows were already dead.

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Omnivorous
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Message 21 of 90 (247421)
09-29-2005 7:44 PM
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09-29-2005 6:00 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
Catholic Scientist writes:
Seems like they could have done a better job in their attempt to save humanity.
Having satisfied minimal ethical requirements, the aliens were then free to indulge in a little Intelligent Design on a verdant planet well-recovered from our depredations.
The result looks nothing like us.

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Thor
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Message 22 of 90 (247425)
09-29-2005 7:56 PM


Hmmmm...John Titor never mentioned anything about this.

On the 7th day, God was arrested.

  
crashfrog
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Message 23 of 90 (247430)
09-29-2005 8:06 PM
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09-29-2005 9:26 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
How would you send a message to our internet from the future? How exactly could you get two computers to handshake? Why send only a short text message and not, say, 100 gigs of data on the infection?
I'm not dismissing this out of hand, because I don't believe that "time travel is impossible" is a scientific conclusion, but more prosaic technical problems with data transmission to infrastructure in the past, especially to a digital, packet-switched network, lead me to believe that this is most likely a funny hoax and not actually contact from the future.
Posting stuff to the internet requires a two-way link. And if the link is two-way, why wouldn't the future aliens stick around to chat with us?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 24 of 90 (247441)
09-29-2005 8:45 PM
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09-29-2005 6:22 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
Perhaps most of the people with the know-hows were already dead.
It was the aliens from the 100th century that had the know-how, not the humans.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 25 of 90 (247444)
09-29-2005 8:47 PM
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09-29-2005 7:44 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
Having satisfied minimal ethical requirements, the aliens were then free to indulge in a little Intelligent Design on a verdant planet well-recovered from our depredations.
They might as well not even given us a chance with the message in the first place.
Besides, I was talking about the human's efforts not the aliens.
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Omnivorous
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Message 26 of 90 (247469)
09-29-2005 9:46 PM
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09-29-2005 8:47 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
Catholic Scientist writes:
Besides, I was talking about the human's efforts not the aliens.
Ah. So you mean the lame all-our-apes-in-one-dome Martian settlement? I wondered about that, too, but I assumed tax cuts for the wealthy caused a budget crunch.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 27 of 90 (247507)
09-30-2005 1:18 AM
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09-29-2005 9:46 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
So you mean the lame all-our-apes-in-one-dome Martian settlement?
I'm sorry, I don't get it.
I wondered about that, too, but I assumed tax cuts for the wealthy caused a budget crunch.
lol, I don't get what you mean by this either...maybe I'm stupid.
My point was that the people that left the message for the aliens (and us) could have left more information(for us).

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coffee_addict
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Message 28 of 90 (247512)
09-30-2005 1:44 AM
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09-29-2005 8:45 PM


Re: Could've been more helpful
It was made clear in the text that the aliens didn't know anything about the plaque except that it wiped out mankind. Remember that they discovered the message and sent it back through time.

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coffee_addict
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Message 29 of 90 (247515)
09-30-2005 1:51 AM
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09-29-2005 8:06 PM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
crashfrog writes:
How would you send a message to our internet from the future?
Try explaining how aerodynamics or rocket science to an Amazon native who hunts monkeys daily for food.
Why send only a short text message and not, say, 100 gigs of data on the infection?
There are many reasons, and most of them we cannot think of.
When the white men wanted to "buy" land from the North American natives, the natives laughed and agreed thinking that the white men were stupid. To them, you can't own land. You can't take the land with you when you're dead. To the Europeans, they were laughing, too, because they thought the natives sold the land too cheaply.
Moral of the story? You can't force the aliens to think in terms of our logic that has been molded by cultural influence.
Call me crazy, but what if they had a prime directive that only allowed them minimum interference?
I'm not dismissing this out of hand, because I don't believe that "time travel is impossible" is a scientific conclusion, but more prosaic technical problems with data transmission to infrastructure in the past, especially to a digital, packet-switched network, lead me to believe that this is most likely a funny hoax and not actually contact from the future.
Yes, I must agree with you that this is probably a joke or hoax, and I am speaking out of my prejudicial instinct. However, strictly speaking, I have no way to prove either way.
Posting stuff to the internet requires a two-way link. And if the link is two-way, why wouldn't the future aliens stick around to chat with us?
You need to watch more stargate sg-1 and star trek. There are a brazillion reasons why they wouldn't chat with us, and most of them we couldn't think of.

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Message 30 of 90 (247517)
09-30-2005 2:02 AM
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09-30-2005 1:51 AM


Re: Message from the future (updated)
Jacen...just missed you in chat

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