The continuation of art styles through a speculated flood

this is off the topic.however the issue of getting the animals to the ark is not the problem -- there could have been just one continent before and a strict reading of genesis does say that god brought the animals to noah to load.the problem is getting them from the ark to where they currently live, and specifically the only places they live.There are other topics that discuss this and you whould search them out to read and comment on.enjoy.

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That is not the topic of this thread. Please concentrate or loose posting priveledges.

Thanks for that, but better just ignore it.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 09-07-2004 10:33 AM

In chapter 11 of Genesis, God confuses the languages and spreads the folks around the earth. With such an event wouldn't we see just one style of art work around the world for that time in history? Or does God give them unique artistic styles, architectural preferences and divergent cultural habits along with a new speech?Even allowing that God did totally alter these people mentally, shouldn't we find evidence left behind from the time between the end of the flood to the tower of Babel? Somekind of unified language culture thriving and advanced enough to build skyscrapers?thanx
PM1K

Since we know that there is not a solid roof over the sky, beyond which God lives, and since God was seriously worried that people were actually going to manage to get to heaven, I think we need to wonder whether there was any evidence that people at the time were capable of building inter-dimensional transportation devices.

The great premise is that you proved when the art was created.
If a creationist must accept this premise then there is no need for further questioning about before and after flood art action.The art is the work of the greek and is therefore post flood. The dating of the art is wrong and indeed un verifable.
Simple
Rob

And your supporting evidence for that assertion is?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

How are artifacts found from before the flood verified? Could the same methods be used to verify the dating of these works?thanx
PM1K

Some more references on the Jomon era in Japan can be found at Jomon period in Japan. Since there is a pretty much continuous recordd there from as early as 13,000 BC on it is a definite problem for anyone trying to support a world wide flood. Of all people, you would expect those living on an island to notice that their island disappeared and all people were wiped out. Yet there is a continuity of style straight through until around 300 BC.

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Let's ask both parties to give primary references for the dating of the art shall we. I don't think that was asked for in the first place of Rrhain.Robert you will be held to the same standard. You are beginning to become both an annoyance and an embarassment (to a fellow Canuck). If that continues eventually I get very cranky.Note any reference to dating methods being inaccurate will require you to go to the various dates and dating threads and support those conjectures. Simple assertions will really not work for that.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 09-07-2004 06:23 PM

I have not ignored you or anyone else.I received a long sought after career advancement and unfortunately I cannot spend all god-damn day on-line.Another debater in one of my topics suddenly is insinuating that delay = paucity of evidence - seems like I cannot get the same benefit I give to everyone of my opponents.I am genuinely surprised that you felt bored enough to condescend your attention to one of my replies since you do usually ignore me.One time some friends of ours owned a house and the lower floors were flooded during a heavy rainstorm. The flooded areas were under water for about a week.After the rains subsided and we cleaned it all up about a month later there was no signs of a flood in their home. Who said 'they' had no connection to the Greeks ?Greek culture was a simulataneously developing civilization along side of Hebrew. S[h]emite immigration from Egypt into Greece is responsible for the foundational origins of their magnificent culture.
[source: "Common Backround of Greek and Hebrew Civilizations" by Professor Cyrus Gordon]All Hebrews are Shemite/Semite thus the origins of Greek culture. All Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews.My current "Genesis 22 - Not a promise given to the Jews" topic proves the above declaration to be a fact.

All civilizations around the Middle East do not flood.In 1Kings, Elijah, a man who lived his whole life in the deserts of Palestine prayed for it NOT to rain. Now how silly of a prayer to pray for it not to rain in the desert ?Flood accounts DO NOT match - this is a fact.But they ALL have common denominators.The CLAIM of the Bible is that it contains the protected versions of facts and all the other worldwide flood accounts and their "facts" are not protected by God.The common denominators prove that a Flood occurred. OK Crashfrog please take a few minutes and list the best evidence against a worldwide deluge.Worldwide Flood accounts is the best evidence for the Flood in my opinion because it cannot be contrived or the product of conspiracy.ToE would generate more credibility if it allowed the Flood/catastrophe, but this will never happen because the origin of the Theory is demons according to the N.T.To allow the Flood is to admit the veracity of the Bible and demons will never allow that.CRASHFROG please do not take offense to my reply. I am in no way saying you are demon possessed or trying to insult you. I am a theist who believes what the Bible says - I am being faithful to what the Bible says about this entire subject as you will be faithful to your worldview frame of reference undoubtedly.Your Chuck E. Cheese analogy seems to benefit my position would you please clarify ?Johnny Carson used to whipser something in the ear of a person in the beginning of a row.Then each person would whisper (hopefully what Johnny said) to the next person until the last person would tell Johnny and the information turned out to be totally different from the original person.Hence, the fact that there are many common denominators in the Flood account is damning to your position.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-07-2004 07:58 PM

Willowtree, are there any connections with the Hebrew and Japanese culture mentioned by PaulK in Message 29? If so, what's your take on why the art styles of the pre flood region were continued by the survivors of the flood?thanx
PM1K

We take that from your past behaviour. The GP and LLM threads being a perfect example. You dropped the whole thing when asked a few simple questions. We can't tell when the delay will turn into never.

Just the art work please.This is NOT directed at WT specifically. But at all of those who might be tempted to respond.