Shraff's Omnipresence

Er.Someone who considers himself a prophet is the opposite of humble.

Mike is having issues with Faith versus Logic, again. I wouldnt worry about him...he just needs time to cool off

While I understand that mike is seriously trying to put effort in understanding and using logic, at the same time he is misusing logic to achieve his own agenda.Like science, logic should be a neutral thing. If you do it right, you should arrive at an unbiased conclusion, and this conclusion should be understood by others.Logic is a wonderful human invention. It helps us view the world in such a way that we can constantly improve our body, mind, and spirit.Mike, on the other hand, is using logic in the same way that creationists try to use science. He presupposes that there is a god and that this god has a hand in everything that happens on earth. This is like saying the answer is 5 no matter what, therefore 1+1.5=5. This is not how you are suppose to use logic, damn it.For now, mike isn't hurting anyone with his obsession with using logic to prove the judeo-christian god. However, along the same line of thought, such method of thinking can easily arrive at the same conclusions that made people burn and hang witches in the old days. They presupposed that there were indeed witches and warlocks who were enemies of god, and anybody who's accused of being a witch is guilty until proven innocent. So, whatever the hell evidence was brought up pretty much confirmed the accused as being witches and warlocks. In the same way, since mike had already pressuposed that there is a god and that god is actively and magically acting upon this world, whatever the hell evidence that comes to light will only reinforce this conclusion he already made.Like I said, the way mike is using (misusing) logic is against the spirit of logic. If you start with a conclusion, whatever condition that comes to light will only reinforce that conclusion, and that's not how logic is suppose to be done.

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Mike the wiz:I have a confession mike...If you go back and look at many of my posts (which I am not suggesting you do, or assuming you will), you would see that I have very often sought just that! Honor from persons that is...I have been seeking the approval of men here at EVC far too much. And have too often allowed the lack of it, to steal my joy.Why?Because like you I knew that I was right. And not that I was right, but really it was 'the truth' that was right. It was the logic of it. It is Christ!But I was seeking personal glory for this new found power. A power that was given to me. A power that cannot be learned. A power that is imparted freely by another to whom it belongs and to whom belongs the Glory.I was often using it for myself. Though in vain...And God used some very disturbing people to show me that He would not share His glory with another.The post I sent to you was very simmilar to many of my first posts here. Posts that were immmediately rebuked and hated. In light of the rejection I attempted to reach them with human wisdom.No fruit to bear...Instead I became prideful and angry. I said some terrible things. I couldn't make them see. I couldn't educate them. I couldn't do what only God can do.The coruption within me was being refined (and still is). It was all brought to the surface. I see my own depravity now. And I am grateful, though many here (not suprisingly) misinterpret it as a curse. It is a blessing. One difficult to accept, but one that is healing in the end.It is very likely that you are the only one here who will have the slightest clue as to what I'm talking about. So many others who claim 'to be', seem to lack the evident discernment. The others have long since gone. Perhaps they went through this same battle I have had within.I am glad for you mike. And like you, I see very little reason to waste all of this time here. The only thing keepiong me here is pride. Even this message to you is a type of last gasp...It's funny... I never spent a whole lot of time reading your posts. But now I see why the comedy was so central for you (unless I misunderstand something); there's no sense taking a place like this too seriously. At least, not in terms of actually thinking we have the power to open hearts.Maybe you didn't see it that clearly. Maybe you did...May the force be with you. Forever and ever... Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

nator:You are absolutely right for a change...

Hope you're reading these even if you do not respond. I must say some things. But I will use something better than my own words to express what has been laid upon my heart.Please consider:Mt 26:75 Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken: "Before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times." And he went outside and wept bitterly.We all do it mike... so take solice in the fact that Peter was no better than me and you.Do you think I am bold?Re 19:10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."Like your fellow saints, you understand things that 'mere men' cannot understand mike.Mt 13:17 For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.Mt 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.Mr 13:9 "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.