D James Kennedy is dead

I quite agree with you. D.James Kennedy was influential to some religious conservatives, yet had nowhere near the influence that Dr.James Dobson holds over the conservative voters in this country.I listen to Dobson on the radio, (my radio is always on and is always on the local Christian station) and occasionally agree with some of their family values stuff but rarely agree with their politics.

no, i would have remembered if it was you. it was a newer member i was talking to in chat. he seemed a big fan of dr kennedy, and i didn't even remember who he was until i looked him and discovered that he ran a local mega-church, which is why i'd heard the name before. oh please, not this again.

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Dude, the guy created the the "Center for Reclaiming America For Christ".If that doesn't prove to you that he was anti-religious freedom and pro-Theocracy, nothing ever will.He was also virulently anti-science.Finally, he was one of the founders of the Moral Majority, a group that sought to force every American, by the power of law, to adhere to their own radical religious code of conduct.He was the worst sort of Anti-democracy, power-hungry religious zealot that Jefferson and the rest of the Founders hoped to keep out of influence in the America. They would have loathed everything he stood for and supported.

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my radio is always on and is always on the local Christian station

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Phat, why don't you try having NPR News on 24/7 for a couple of weeks.It is much better for your mind.

All I have in response to this tirade, Brenna is that some of Kennedy's religion would likely do a lot to improve the way you communicate on this board.

Dr Kennedy and the Moral Majority etc never ever wanted to force anything they believed on anyone. They, just like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood and all of those leftist counterparts worked within the system to lawfully implement the principles which they aspired to promote. That's how the American way has always been. When President Jefferson authorized and attended church in Congress with the Marine Band doing the hymns etc that was what the majority in those days who were majority Biblicalists favored and gladly tolerated. Now things have changed via the folks who have worked within the system to change it to what is acceptable today. If folks like you, Brennakimi and others don't want what Dr Kennedy worked for, then you gather your advocates, get on your own soap box and work to counter. Nobody forces anybody here. We Biblicalists don't like some of the laws which folks like the ACLU and other leftist organizations have gotten into the system, but hey, they prevailed and we lost, so now the one we regard as a patriot worked with our blessings for what we would like to live under in this democracy.

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My understanding is, according to the thread title and OP, that this thread topic is suppose to be about the man, what he advocated, accomplished and practiced etc. Yes he's been buried, but during the decades of his ministry there's a lot that could be discussed relative to the man, his programs and his conservative legacy. Edited by Buzsaw, : Eliminate a word

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I'm sorry Buz, but I have to disagree. Dr Kennedy operated a radio station and a website that promulgated false information and misrepresentations of reality.He also ran a private religious school so that he could teach those falsehoods and misrepresentations to unsuspecting children.The intent of those works was to spread falsehoods and misrepresentations, to impart this as fact to gullible people knowing full well that the position of authority they assumed (falsely) would ensure that such people would take their word as fact.They had a duty - if we are going to talk about patriotism - to spread truth ... and failed. The four basic reasons for spreading falsehoods and misrepresenting reality are: I don't see any one of those as a patriotic value, rather the opposite (although many self-styled "patriots" have those characteristics).So was Dr Kennedy being "patriotic" -- to the values of this country? or his religion?Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : school

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Dr Kennedy and the Moral Majority etc never ever wanted to force anything they believed on anyone.

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Wrong.They were a lobby group that sought to put in place laws that were in line with their particular radical religious ideology.From the wiki:

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They, just like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood and all of those leftist counterparts worked within the system to lawfully implement the principles which they aspired to promote.

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Buz, the difference is that the ACLU and Planned Parenthood are lobbying to protect our constitutional rights, expand human rights to more people, etc. The MM sought to prevent our constitutional rights and to force everyone to live by their radical religious moral code.

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We Biblicalists don't like some of the laws which folks like the ACLU and other leftist organizations have gotten into the system, but hey, they prevailed and we lost, so now the one we regard as a patriot worked with our blessings for what we would like to live under in this democracy.

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Buz, stop using the word "leftist" to describe the American Civil Liberties Union, and any other group that you don't like. They aren't Leftists. Would a leftist group's lawyers represent Jerry Falwell in a religious freedom case?And perhaps you can list for me all of the laws all of these "leftist" groups have succeeded in putting into place that have limited your freedom to live as you wish?Edited by nator, : No reason given.

it might help if you replied to me. i might actually get it. i want nothing to do with anyone's religion. if people were less frustratory, that might do a lot to improve the way i communicate on this board.

he blatantly said that he supported american christian theocracy. how in the world does that not equate forcing their beliefs on others? if you paid attention, you'd be aware of what i actually do with my life. yeah, see. he said crap like this, too. american democracy isn't about majority abuse. it isn't about 'let's all elect and be able to do whatever we want because there's more of us and we have more money.' it's not ancient greece and we don't drop or throw stones here. it's about running a government by election in the aim of protecting the freedoms of all. you don't get to elect a dictator just because 51% voted for him. likewise, you don't get to elect a religion just because 51% voted for it.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

I'm sorry Buz but that is either a sign of your absolute willful ignorance, complete evidence of delusion or a blatant lie. The immoral "Moral Majority" try to over turn Roe v Wade. That is forcing their beliefs on everyone.He was a "Dominionist", a group that should be on the US Terrorist Watch List.The rest of your Jefferson nonsense is simply old PRATTs.

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What station is it on? AbE: Never mind, I found it! It is good to be exposed to different viewpoints, and I think this also goes for those who normally don't listen to Christian radio as well.Edited by Phat, : added features

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Dr. Kennedy and others have assembled a large selection of quotes. I'll let you all be the judge of the chilling similarities: My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. Adolf Hitler, 1922. This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us. Jerry Falwell, 2002 We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe. Gary Bauer Nothing short of a great Civil War of Values rages today throughout North America. Two sides with vastly differing and incompatible world views are locked in a bitter conflict that permeates every level of society. James Dobson Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people. Adolf Hitler, 1933 I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be! Jerry Falwell, 1979The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ. D.James Kennedy, 1993 We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America. Pat Buchanan, 1996 The public education movement has also been an anti-Christian movement... Pat Robertson, 1993Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction. Adolf HitlerWe were convinced that the people need and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out. Adolf Hitler, 1933The Constitution of the United States . . . is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. Pat Robertson, 1981 No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God. George Herbert W. Bush When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government. . .the media challenged me. . . How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judao-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.' Pat Robertson We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit . We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press. . .we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess. . Adolf Hitler How much more forcefully can I say it? The time has come, and it is long overdue, when Christians and conservatives and all men and women who believe in the birthright of freedom must rise up and reclaim America for Jesus Christ.” D.James Kennedy, 1997 Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea. Adolf Hitler, 1926 We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism ... we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today ... our battle is with Satan himself. Jerry Falwell Unique among the nations, America recognized the source of our character as being godly and eternal, not being civic and temporal. And because we have understood that our source is eternal, America has been different. We have no king but Jesus. John Ashcroft, 1999 This country belongs to God ... He's the One who brought the United States of America into existence. He had a special purpose for it ... He raised it up, and it's not going to be taken away from Him. Kenneth Copeland What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator. Adolf Hitler, 1926 Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. D.James Kennedy, 2005 I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work. Adolf Hitler, 1936God told me to strike at Al-Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. George W. Bush