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coffee_addict
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Message 1 of 8 (128883)
07-30-2004 3:02 AM


I intended this to be put in either the coffee house or free for all.
The stats speak for themselves. I've heard a lot of accusations by some people that gay marriages are generally unstable. Here is a brief summary of Civil Unions at Vermont vital statistics.
CIVIL UNIONS
In 2002, 1707 civil unions were established in Vermont, down from 1875 in 2001. The highest number occurred in July (225).
Civil unions involving out-of-state residents accounted for almost 90 percent of the total number of civil unions (Table I-2), a 3 percent increase from 2001. The states with the largest number of residents who established civil unions were New York, followed by Massachusetts and Florida (Table I-1). The largest number of Vermont residents who established civil unions resided in Chittenden County (Table I-2).
Seventy-one percent of the civil unions were between female partners, up from 67 percent in 2001, and the most common age group for both male and female partners was 35 to 39 (Table I-4). Civil union partners tend to be highly educated: 55% completed at least four years of college (Table I-5).
Table I-6 shows the total number of civil unions or marriages, including the current civil union, that each person has been a party to during their lives. For 76 percent of the civil union partners, this was their first union, or marriage.
DISSOLUTIONS
The dissolution of civil unions follows the same procedures, same requirements, rights, and obligations as divorces. There were 9 dissolutions in 2002.
In other words, 1 out of 18 same sex couples are divorced in 2002. This does not count the number of years they were together before legitimizing their relationships.
Also, notice that the great majority of same sex couples have at least 4 year college degrees.
Here is a summary of marriages and divorces for straight couples. You can find it here.
MARRIAGES
In 2002, 6011 marriages were performed in Vermont, 28 more than in 2001. The Vermont rate was 9.8 per 1,000 population, the lowest rate in Vermont in more than 20 years, but higher than the 2002 U.S. provisional rate of 7.8. Marriages between two out-of-state residents accounted for 34.5 percent of the marriages in Vermont (Table G-2).
There was the usual seasonal variation with more marriages occurring in summer than in any other season. August was the most popular month for marriages in 2002 (Table G-7).
Just under half (49.6 percent) of the marriages were firsts for both bride and groom (Table G-5). Sixty-one percent were first marriages for the bride and 62 percent were first marriages for the groom. Remarriages for both bride and groom accounted for 26.9 percent of marriages in Vermont.
The percentage of civil ceremonies increased to 60.9 percent in 2002 (Table G-8). This percent has increased every year since 1990 when it was 47.2 percent.
DIVORCES
There were 2,653 divorces granted in 2002, an increase of 16 from 2001. This represents a rate of 4.3 per 1,000 residents, slightly higher than the 2002 U.S. provisional rate of 4.0.
The median length of marriages ending in divorce was 9 years 5 months, with a range of 1 month to 52 years 3 months. Almost fifty-eight percent of divorces followed a separation of a year or longer (Table H-3). The median age at the time of divorce was 38 for women with a range of 19 to 81 years. The median age at the time of divorce was 41 for men with a range of 19 to 82 years.
In 2002, 50.7 percent of divorces involved at least one child under the age of 18 (Table H-5), and a total of 2,428 children (Table H-7) were involved in a divorce. This represents an estimated 1.6 percent of all children residing in Vermont.
In other words, 5 out of 7 straight couples get divorces.
Apparently, homosexuals treat their relationships a lot more seriously than straight couples do in Vermont.
Perhaps those that have been accusing us of undermining traditional marriage are right after all. Gay couples undermine traditional marriages by succeeding in civil unions a heck of a lot more than straight married couples. Gay couples succeed in their relationships without the help of religious convictions.
By the way, you can find other interesting stats on here in Vermont Vital Statistics.
By the way, I posted the summary here instead of only providing bare links is because I know there will be people that just to make it more conveinient for everyone.

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Message 2 of 8 (128885)
07-30-2004 3:14 AM


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Message 3 of 8 (128887)
07-30-2004 3:17 AM
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07-30-2004 3:02 AM


In other words, 1 out of 18 same sex couples are divorced in 2002. This does not count the number of years they were together before legitimizing their relationships
Reading it quickly it looks like you calculated the "divorces" based on number of unions in the year. That isn't right if that is what you did.
The rate has to be per couple. That is so many "divorces" per 1,000 couples. Did I read too quickly?
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coffee_addict
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Message 4 of 8 (128888)
07-30-2004 3:30 AM
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07-30-2004 3:17 AM


I was writing it rather quickly. It said that there were 1707 civil unions in 2002. 10% were in state. 10% of 1707 is about 170. 9 same sex couples had their unions dissolved. That's about 1/18.
I just punched some numbers on my calculator rather quickly.

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Message 5 of 8 (128889)
07-30-2004 3:36 AM
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07-30-2004 3:17 AM


Also, if you look at the straight couples. There were 6011 marriages. In-state residents accounted for 65.5% of those marriages. 65.5% of 6011 is about 3937. There were 2,653 divorces that year. For the sake of simplicity, I estimated it to be 5 out of 7.

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Message 6 of 8 (128890)
07-30-2004 3:41 AM
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07-30-2004 3:17 AM


Ok, you were right. I don't know why I've been rushing a lot tonite. Probably because of mooses' intimidation.
Anyway, it's probably wiser to wait for more data to come in. Civil union isn't exactly an old thing like hetero marriages, but we'll see.

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Message 7 of 8 (128907)
07-30-2004 6:38 AM
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07-30-2004 3:02 AM


The median length of marriages ending in divorce was 9 years 5 months
Since gay unions haven't been offered for as long as traditional marriages we would expect a lower 'divorce' rate from them, wouldn't we? You'd have to compare statistics based on marriages ending within the period that gay unions have been allowed for.
(Although the statistics you have already gathered strongly imply that gay unions are not inherently unstable).

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Message 8 of 8 (128934)
07-30-2004 10:52 AM
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07-30-2004 6:38 AM


maybe, maybe not
Here in Canada one of the first legal gay marriages started to break up 5 days after the marriage.
However, there is some suspicion it is a further test of the laws. It turns out they can't get divorced because the divorce laws haven't been changed to allow for a same sex divorce. That might not happen until after this fall.
Otherwise, it is pretty clear that we will have full marriage rights across the country within the next year. It may be that the conservative side (about like your liberal republicans) lost a close election because the electorate was concerned about their views on this and related issues. We are not, in spite of how Robert Byers appears, "like" Americans. Here he is very much a minority (less than half the percentages as there) with very little polictical clout. That clout is shrinking as time goes on too. As, I think, it is in the US.

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