Big Bang Problem

Thanks for the answer.
So it's safe to assume you believe in an old earth.
The big bang problem is still a big problem because it had to come
from some where.
Do you believe that the earth was already formed and then things,creatures,ect...,began to evolve?

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Desdamona

Shrug. No, not really. Perhaps it did, or maybe not. There are speculative proposals fitting either case. Basically, however, we don't really know what went on prior to the big bang. This is not a problem with the big bang itself. It just means we don't know everything yet. I'm cool with that.The other matters were not on topic in this thread.Cheers -- Sylas

The Big bang doesn't jive with history to me.
What exploded,where did it explode and why?
Which is easier to believe,in the beginning God,
or in the beginning,dirt?

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Desdamona

Space exploded; everywhere. We don't know why. The Big bang is not about something at a point in space, but an explosion of space itself. This is hard to understand, but it is pretty much a consequence of general relativity.Someone who has no knowledge of physics and no education in the discoveries of astronomy over the last century or so will find the big bang just about impossible to comprehend, let alone believe. For sure, it is far easier to just believe in your own intuitions.Cheers -- Sylas

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The Big bang doesn't jive with history to me. What exploded, where did it explode and why? Which is easier to believe, in the beginning God, or in the beginning, dirt?

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You are welcome to believe that God was behind the Big Bang - It was part of his creative process. Do you have a better explanation of the beginnings of "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth"?No matter how you look at it, the early beginnings predate "dirt". Part of the creation is "older than dirt".Moose[This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 04-21-2004]

No. I think that sums it up very nicely. In the beginning,God.
God is older than dirt.I believe that DNA is smart.
I also don't believe that Zebra's painted on their own stripes,or
that language came about by accident.
If humans and animals,ect are capable of learning,that is good proof,
that we had an inteligent creator.
I don't believe there ever was a big bang.
If there was where was it?
What was the space that it banged in?
What was around before the bang?
God is BANG ON RIGHT,to me,amen.{Adminnemooseus says, as an experiment, I'm going to try to reformat the above, to a better structure}:

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No. I think that sums it up very nicely. In the beginning, God. God is older than dirt.

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I believe that DNA is smart. I also don't believe that Zebra's painted on their own stripes, or that language came about by accident.

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If humans and animals, ect are capable of learning, that is good proof, that we had an inteligent creator.

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I don't believe there ever was a big bang. If there was where was it?
What was the space that it banged in? What was around before the bang?

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God is BANG ON RIGHT, to me, amen.

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Desdamona

O.K.
I don't think that it's fair at all that all of us U.S. tax payers
have to be forced to pay for the religion of evolution and Big Bang idea that is being promoted in our school system.It's a clear -
violation of the first amendment,and then we have to hear people claim they are smarter than us because they learn about it.
The Big Bang is not science,it's a religious belief like all the others that make outrageous claims.
When The Holy Bible gives a great explanation,why look anywhere else?

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Desdamona

Yes,you are cool with that,but the rest of us are not.
The big bang has no proof to support itself.
There is no evidence to prove that it happened at all.
Archeaologists have proven that many people and places in the
holy bible did exist and some still do like ancient Babylon,and
there are many ancient writings to back up scripture.
I am happy that you are a fan of the bible,but the big bang leaves,
alot to be desired.
There are many great scientists that do not believe in evolution.
If you inherited things from your parents,how did DNA know to do
that,and what you would most likely be like,ect...
I think the problem with the big bang idea is that it has no foundation to back itself up.

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Desdamona

Can you clarify for me which it is that you're opposed to - the teaching of any religion in schools, or just the teachings of religions that aren't yours? Your post doesn't make it clear. (Leaving aside the point that if science is religion, then you've made the term "religion" essentially meaningless.)

Desdamona, perhaps you'd like to start a topic (see link below)? I should be up for quite a while yet, to guide it to it's happy home.Please, please try to fix your writing structure. Please see what I did back at message 66. Please.Adminnemooseusps: Please work on your writing structure.

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WHERE TO GO TO START A NEW TOPIC (For other than "Welcome, Visitors!", "Suggestions and Questions", "Practice Makes Perfect", and "Short Subjects")Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
Change in Moderation?
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too fast closure of threads

Crashfrog, now you see what I had to face? First, she claimed that math is false. She then went on to admit that she'd never taken any class or read any book about these things, but she knew that they were make-belief. Now, she is saying that science is a religion.I never thought such a personality could exist. I guess I'm still too young.

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The Laminator

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Not that I disagree, but people who spell the possessive pronoun "its" with an apostrophe shouldn't throw stones.

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to guide it to it's happy home.

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{Adminnemooseus says: I used to waffle between "its" and "it's", and the such. I may well be wrong, but I vaguely recall sources of good authority that advocate the use of "it's" in such situations.}[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-21-2004]

Since this is an experiment, you could fix some of the other errors also.Replace "inteligent" with "intelligent".Replace "ect" with "etc". Better still, delete it altogether. It makes no sense in the context.Replace "Zebra's" with "Zebras".Replace "painted on their own stripes" with "painted their own stripes".Omit the incorrectly placed commas after "proof" and after "animals".Desdamona thought it was rude of me in the other thread to remark on the poor spelling, grammar and punctuation. I don't agree; although I realize that such comments are rarely appreciated. It is like trying to let someone in a public place know that their fly is undone and wide open.Bear in mind that we are writing for a well known international forum. Material here is indexed by Google. The potential audience is not only the member list; articles it will be found by people from all over the world using search engines to find information on the creationism/evolution debates. Meaning no offence, you should know that consistently error filled writing does have an impact on readers. It is very noticeable.Cheers — Sylas{Adminnemooseus says to himself, as he writes: I have enough problems with my own spelling, to get too (not to) critical of others. I also love commas, and also tend to use excessive quantities of them. Also, board policy is that admin/moderator editing for structure is OK, but editing for content is not done. Sylas adds, I thoroughly approve of that policy; but you were not editing, and spelling and punctuation is not content. I would not want you to apply these changes as edits; this was intended as a helpful suggestion by way of example for the original author.}[This message has been edited by Sylas, 04-21-2004]

des, I think I know what you're doing wrong with your formatting. I've seen other people who aren't used to computer editors and word processors do the same thing, so it's not just you.When you type a message, don't use the 'Enter' key UNLESS you have finished an entire paragraph (and when you do you should hit 'Enter' twice). Your text will then look normal to everyone, no matter what screen size they're using to view this website.What I think you're doing is hitting 'Enter' at the end of each line in your editing window (the box you type into when you compose your post), as you would on a typewriter. The result may look fine on your screen, because the size of that editing window is tied to the size of your screen display. However, those of us with different screen displays see either very short lines that hug the left side of the screen or we see lines that go all the way across alternating with lines that only go about an inch. We also see no separation from one paragraph to another.All you have to do is let the editor do it's work. It will wrap your words from one line to the next automatically. Using the 'Enter' key interferes with the editor, so please don't use it unless you've finished an entire paragraph.If I'm wrong about this I'm sorry, but I want to echo what everyone else is saying and beg you to PLEASE improve your formatting.

Even better authorities would advocate thinking about why there is an apostrophy in "it's", instead of promoting laziness. Shame on you!{added by edit} Not you, Crashfrog. But if Adminnemooseus is using your posts as a vehicle for his own messages, what can one do?[This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 04-21-2004]

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"It's amazing what you can learn from DNA." - Desdamona.