creation is true

creation , to me is definately true.how can order come from chaos,
for instance the big bang , without God how can something come from
nothing? How could their be meaning to anything we do.If anything evolution is the fantasy not creation . Most people look for evidence
of evolution but i urge you to look for evidence of creation , look at
the complexity of the human body , could it really of evolved into
a perfect man through so called millions of years in a violent earth.
consider the r.n.a in our bodies , surely you can see we were designed to survive straight away by our Father , does a man crossing the desert go without taking water? no, he wouldnt survive long.
Just think how a clock works , because its made of metal and plastic doesnt make it a watch, because it is more than the sum of its properties. DOES NOT the same thing apply with humans , that is
why we have d.n.a.
I could give a thousand more arguments but consider what i'm saying , trust in God and ask Jesus if i'm right i dare you evolutionists to believe , you will get a shock!!!!!!!!!

Your "arguments" sound very familiar. And the answers to them are all over the place. Have you done any research at all?Do you really want answers or do you already know? You sound a lot like you already know it all so you don't need to discuss it any further.

Isn't it just assumption on your part that there was nothing before the big bang? If there was something there already, then we don't need your god, do we?You might like to learn some quantum physics. Something coming from nothing is something that happens all the time, at every point in space. The reason you don't notice is because it's very small somethings. And what would that evidence look like? By what criteria can design be inferred? It's not very perfect. Bad backs, bad eyesight, cancer, disease, even metabolic inefficiency. The list goes on and on. Rather than perfection, what we see in the biological world are systems that are just good enough to allow organisms to survive long enough to reproduce - exactly what evolution would predict. This doesn't even make sense. I suspect you're misremembering something you read somewhere, something billed as some kind of smoking gun for creationism. Maybe you'd like to consider your arguments a little better before you embarass yourself by misquoting them. Here's a shock - I did believe in god and Jesus and all that. I trusted god, etc. Then I opened my eyes to the evidence and was honest with myself. It was then I realized that evolution was an accurate explanation of the diversity of life on earth. Later, for different reasons, I realized that the meaning in my life had nothing to do with some all-powerful sky-man.So I dare you - take a look at the evidence. Ask questions if you don't understand. This board is a great place to do that. Question some of us with an open mind and you just might be suprised to learn that the scientific theory of evolution makes none of the claims Kent Hovind or Phillip Johnson (or whoever) told you it did.

how can order come from chaos?Try this little experiment. Place as many pennies as you can in one hand. Cup your other hand over the hand with the pennies and shake for 10 seconds. When you remove one hand you will see that the pennies have arranged themselves quite nicely into several rows.Voila! Order from chaos.

Have you ever considered that evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive? Science can't make metaphysical claims any more than religion can make scientific claims."I could give a thousand more arguments but consider what i'm saying , trust in God and ask Jesus if i'm right i dare you evolutionists to believe , you will get a shock!!!!!!!!!"I believe, and I see the evidence for evolution. Is that a shock? Saying evolution isn't true, is like saying gravity isn't true. In all actuality we know just as much about gravity as we do about evolution.Seriously though check out this link http://www.ualberta.ca/~dlamoure/EvolutionaryCreation.htm This guy, Dr. Lamoureax has two earned Ph.D's in Theology and the evolutionary biology of teeth and he also has a M.D. in dentistry. He puts up some very valid arguements.

I've read part of your post.May I express and opinion without having finished it? We humans play with "interesting" computer processes like the game of Life invented by Conway.God could have chosen to create a static unchanging boring world and life. Instead he created one in which the physical environment changes in interesting ways and added the evolutionary process so that life could "jiggle" around in the environment to keep re fitting to it. Then he watches this unfold in interesting ways.I don't have a big problem with the ideas in that document but that doesn't mean I have any reason to believe it.

"I don't have a big problem with the ideas in that document but that doesn't mean I have any reason to believe it."Thats fair enough.

I've finished reading about evolutionary creationism. He is so very reasonable. I wonder if there is any chance of it being understood and accepted in conservative areas? Well, he's done his best.

I have read part of that "evolutionary creation" tome now as well, and so far I object to one word:

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This position claims there exists overwhelming physical evidence for cosmological, geological and biological evolution.

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My objection is to the word "claims." I don't think that these evolutionary creationists are in a position to "claim" this. I would prefer the word "recognizes." This position recognizes the overwhelming evidence. "Claims" makes it sound like they have come up with something new or discovered something they are presenting. The evidence is already presented. Unless that religious group is presenting something new, they should say they are acknowledging claims, not making them.Of course, any scientist who believes in a creator and who knows evolution happened could be called an evolutionary creationist, and that would be most scientists, unless the number of atheists in this country has increased many-fold since the last time I saw a statistic of 8 per cent. However, this evolutionary creation web site is speaking specifically of a small group who use this title, and I don't believe that small group has the right to "claim" there's evidence for evolution. They need to simply acknowledge the claims that have been made many times before them.Maybe that's too picky, but it didn't seem picky to me. It left me with a "who do they think they are" feeling.

I think it depends on the context of the discussion. The word choice could also be interpreted as an attempt to tread lightly on the ground between literalist YEC types and the evolutionary creationist position described, and avoid alienating the YECs. I prefer "recognizes" as you do... or even "realizes," even though (or because) some might think it's a little cocky

I see your point. Maybe claim is too strong of a word. I think I would prefer "recognizes" as well. I see that as a minor syntax error though, because obviously he isn't claiming any great scientific discoveries that are limited to evolutionary creation.------------------
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

You're right of course, in your concern about claims. But let's face it, compared to the fundamentalist, literalist view this is so refreashing who wants to complain to much.Another thought though. Is this in any way different from, for example, the catholic church? Or for that matter different from most parts of most religions. The service they are doing is trying to get as close as possible to the literalists view so as perhaps draw them off their damaging (to Christianity) stance.Also I have read the results of poles that suggest about 40% of US scientists are theists of one sort or another. This has stayed at about that number for decades.

And what would that evidence look like? By what criteria can design be inferred?simple things , for instance a scientist i know found a fossil of a frog. It was exactly the same as a nowaday frog . - evolution? the
frog hadn't changed because God doesn't change. If you plant an apple
tree you dont get oranges. I believe Jesus said something about ,
if a son asks his father for bread will he give him a rock?(It's not very perfect. Bad backs, bad eyesight, cancer, disease, even metabolic inefficiency. The list goes on and on. Rather than perfection, what we see in the biological world are systems that are just good enough to allow organisms to survive long enough to reproduce - exactly what evolution would predict.)But again the bible can explain , disease death e.t.c is all a result of us living in a fallen world because of sin.(Here's a shock - I did believe in god and Jesus and all that. I trusted god, etc)may i ask what went wrong if its not too a personal thing?Did you ask God with complete faith in an answer , like i have
done , and i have always recieved answers in some form or another?

Try this little experiment. Place as many pennies as you can in one hand. Cup your other hand over the hand with the pennies and shake for 10 seconds. When you remove one hand you will see that the pennies have arranged themselves quite nicely into several rows.may i suggest to you the fact that we are living in a completely awesome system with
laws of gravity, time , a sun that comes up in the morning, without
burning us to death. your little trick is a tad more simple isnt it?why would there need be these laws of gravity e.t.c unless for a purpose , in fact why need there be existance . and how would existence of any matter exist . somewhere in these arguments
you yourself must wonder?

You haven't even come close to design with this stuff. Unevolving frogs? The theory of evolution doesn't mandate advancement. It only states that organisms will adapt to their environment. If that environment doesn't change, why would they?None of this is evidence for design. You've mentioned some rudimentary functions of biology, but function isn't the same as design because you can get one without the other. I'm not impressed. Have you noticed that all mythologies come up with explanations about the basic problems that humans face? Is it totally unimaginable that the bible explanations are just myths? If we are to accept that explanation I need you to prove that our world is fallen, and that sin is something other than your own personal disapproval of certain acts. Sure, I had complete and total faith. But when I realized that the answers I thought I was getting from god were unable to be distinguished from chance events, I had to be honest with myself. When I realized that god couldn't or wouldn't make me into a person I felt I could be happy with, I realized that it was all up to me.