God exists: the moral argument from evil.

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1. If God does not exist, trancendant, objective values of good and evil do not exist

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2. Evil does exist

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3. Therefore objective values exist and some things are really, basically, fundamentally bad.

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4 Therefore God exists

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Discuss. {For the record, this is from here, where it was off-topic. - Adminnemooseus}Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.

I'm not "Mr. Logic", but the structure of "If a negative, then a negative" seems like a strange way to start a chain of reasonings.Might that #1 be better phrased: "If trancendant, objective values of good and evil do exist, then God exists"? And then take it from there.AdminnemooseusAdded by edit: Please submit a revised opening message as a new message in THIS topic. If and when promoted, that individual message can become the new message 1.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.

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"If I don't go to work then I will not be paid" is negative logic - but perfect for all that.If there is something wrong with the then which follows from the if I'm sure that will come up in discussion. Indeed it is the point of the discussion

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1. If God does not exist, trancendant, objective values of good and evil do not exist

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2. Evil does exist

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3. Therefore objective values exist and some things are really, basically, fundamentally bad.

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4 Therefore God exists

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Just something I noticed.1. If God does not exist then you say that transcendent, objective values of good and evil do not exist. You might want to clarify how you are using transcendent. 2. Evil does exist. Above you mentioned transcendent, objective values of good and evil. Wouldn't it be more precise to say that the value of evil exists and more specifically the transcendent value depending on how you are using it?3. Same here. Wouldn't you need to say that transcendent, objective values exist?Even in logic statements, don't you need to keep the terms the same?

Hey iano,Do you still wish to pursue this topic? If yes, please respond to my questions in previous message.If no, then let me know and I'll close this proposal.Thanks
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Hi PD.Sorry, forgot this one. I'm off on holidays for a week or so at the end of this week and won't get time to deal with it. If you can leave it I'll come back to it then. Otherwise you can close it.Thanks for the comments - it needs tidying alrightian

I'll hold it open. Let me know when you're ready for the revised version to be reviewed.Enjoy your week.