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Author Topic:   Does the Bible say the Earth was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago?
jaywill
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Message 136 of 319 (492722)
01-02-2009 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Rrhain
01-01-2009 6:10 PM


There are others. God repents all the time for the mistakes that he makes. In fact, Genesis 2 shows god making blunder after blunder. First he makes a human male but then notes that he made a mistake by making him alone. So he tries to find a companion for the man and creates a bunch of animals but then notes that he made a mistake by making animals rather than another human. Only then does he finally get it right by making a second human.
Yes, there are a few places in the Bible where it says that God repented. However, those instances are of Him repenting because of the terrible decisions that man has made through his free will.
IE. I had a science teacher give me a very complex model design of an Atomic Power Plant in 8th grade. Someone worked hard on it. I took it home and put a fire cracker in it to blow it up for fun. Of course word came back to the teacher what I did.
I think he repented that he gave it to me. And I felt bad.
The bringing of many animals before Adam was to build up within Adam a sense of anticipation. He wanted Adam to appreciate what He was about to do to produce his wife.
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Message 137 of 319 (492730)
01-02-2009 1:45 PM
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01-02-2009 12:30 PM


Hind Sight
I think he repented that he gave it to me.
Would he have given it to you if he knew what you were going to do with it?
Several times now I have seen someone use an anecdote like that one as an analogy to something God did. No analogy of this type can work, however, because the actors of the anecdotes aren't omniscient; whereas, God is.
God knew that Adam was going to eat from the tree, that men were going to be wicked, that Lot's wife was going to turn back, and that I would give no more credence to the Bible than I do to Marvel Comics. Yet He ousted Adam, Flooded the Earth, turn Irit into a pillar of salt, and is biding His time to send me to Hell. Could He have not made the branches higher, men more conscientious ” and before the free will crowd pipes in; more thoughtful is not the equivalent of mindless robot ” shrouded the plain in dust, and back up the Bible with evidence.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 138 of 319 (492733)
01-02-2009 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Peg
01-02-2009 3:53 AM


Re Title
Hi Peg,
Peg writes:
Why would we not apply ancient styles of writing to Moses work, but apply it to all other ancient texts???
You can apply anything you want too. But if it is not correct it makes no difference.
Lets play a game.
The first book of the Bible.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The second book of the Bible.
Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob.
The third book of the Bible.
And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
The fourth book of the Bible.
And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
The fifth book of the Bible.
These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
Your theory being that the Bible is like all other literature is fasinating. And if you are correct the above 5 entries are the titles of each of the first 5 books of the Bible.
You are absolutly correct it makes perfect nonsense to me.
My thoughts.
I really thought the first book covered a little more than the creation of the earth. Things like the flood, Man trying to build a tower to heaven, Man being scattered all over the face of the earth, and then the earth being divided. I must be thinking of a different book.
I thought the second book was concerned with the children of God leaving Egypt rather than the names of the children of Israel who enter Egypt because of the famine. I must be thinking of a different book.
I always thought the third book was where the law was given at Sinai. Maybe I am mistaken.
I thought the fourth book was about The, numbering of the people at Sinai, and their journey's before crossing Jordan. I must have been wrong.
I thought the fifth book was Moses reviewing all their journey's during the 40 years and and a detailed law-code by which the Children of Israel are to live in the Promised Land. Maybe I was mistaken.
I believe that is the reason the first 5 books are named as they are.
Peg when you try to make a verse of scripture say what you want it to because it suits your personal belief you will get into trouble.
So quit treating the Bible like any other book.
IT IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER BOOK.
It is a collection of 66 books written by many different authors over a period of 1500 years. When rightly divided and understood there is not one contradiction in it. That in itself is nothing short of amazing.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 139 of 319 (492737)
01-02-2009 2:01 PM
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01-02-2009 1:45 PM


Re: Hind Sight
Hi lyx2no,
lyx2no writes:
Could He have not made the branches higher, men more conscientious ” and before the free will crowd pipes in; more thoughtful is not the equivalent of mindless robot ” shrouded the plain in dust, and back up the Bible with evidence.
Better yet why doesn't Jesus just appear to everybody as he did to Thomas and say here put your finger in the nail prints and thrust your hand into my side where the spear went.
Wouldn't that be great?
Problem is it would remove all faith. And without faith it is impossible to please God.
I am sorry but it will not happen.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 140 of 319 (492757)
01-02-2009 4:10 PM
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01-02-2009 2:01 PM


Won a Bet with Myself
And without faith it is impossible to please God.
As I saw it, there were two possible response (three if one count ignoring it). Free will or Faith, so I eliminated free will and I'll be danged If I didn't get faith.
"Don't you trust me?" Is that not the stock reply of any con man? Why will God only be please if only idiots follow Him?
Sorry, I've been off topic for a while now, but it's ICANT's fault.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 141 of 319 (492759)
01-02-2009 4:22 PM
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01-01-2009 11:09 PM


Re: Re Judaism
God said the evening and the morning constituted the first day.
He did not say the evening and the evening constituted the first day.
God declared the first day ended when morning came.
As you say yourself, evening and morning were constituent parts of the first day. The day ended when morning left, not when it arrived.

Don't do that Dave.

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Message 142 of 319 (492834)
01-03-2009 7:06 AM
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01-02-2009 4:22 PM


Re: Re Judaism
and yet the 7th day, the day God proceeded to rest, does not end with 'and it came to be evening and morning' as in the case of each of the preceding five days, indicating that it continued. (Ge 2:1-3)
more than 4,000 years after the seventh day, or God’s rest day, Paul indicated that it was still in progress at Hebrews 4
has anybody ever considered this point?

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Message 143 of 319 (492838)
01-03-2009 8:10 AM
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01-02-2009 1:45 PM


Re: Hind Sight
Would he have given it to you if he knew what you were going to do with it?
I don't know if this philosophical delimma has ever been addressed to anyone's complete satisfaction. I am not even sure we can blame God for knowing all.
In other words I don't think we should say that because God knows everything therefore He should do nothing and nothing should exist, especially beings with a will. I don't want to say that since God knows all He should have only filled the universe with non-willful rocks and stones rather than choosing creatures.
I know that He didn't just fill creation with non-choosing and non-problematic rocks and stones. We're here.
So practically speaking, I think the safest thing for me is to ask God to help me make good choices. He doesn't seem unwilling to hear that prayer.
Several times now I have seen someone use an anecdote like that one as an analogy to something God did. No analogy of this type can work, however, because the actors of the anecdotes aren't omniscient; whereas, God is.
It probably is not a perfect anecdote. But a "repentent" God in the Bible is very useful to me. Otherwise I would assume that God is apathetic and has no feeling about anything.
An apathetic God who cannot say that He is sorry about something that has occured, is to me, a malicious being.
I find no comfort in thinking God knows all and just doesn't care therefore who does what. Christ's love and redemptive act impresses me more than the philosophical paradox of an omiscient God saying that He was sorry about something that men did.
God knew that Adam was going to eat from the tree, that men were going to be wicked, that Lot's wife was going to turn back, and that I would give no more credence to the Bible than I do to Marvel Comics.
I didn't see that the calender in the western world has been divided up BC and AD according to Spider Man or the Batman. But I see that Jesus of Nazareth has had a cataclysmic impact on human history. There must be some difference there.
Yet He ousted Adam,
Yet He also promised Adam and his wife a salvation by predicting a Conqueror over the deceiving enemy.
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed; He will bruise you on the head, But you will bruise him on he heel (Gen. 3:15)
Some of us believe that the woman's seed refers to the virgin born Savior Jesus who was to come latter. Every other seed of offspring in the Bible is a man's seed.
And in His redemptive death on the cross He crushed the work of Satan and brings the sons of Adam back to eternal life.
So I think you have a tendency only to see the negative side of things in the Bible. This is biased and warped.
Flooded the Earth,
And saved the animals and Noah and family for a new start. And He promised never to wipe out all life on earth again in a flood. This served as a significant lesson for future generations as Jesus Christ is now the divine / human ark which will carry the saved from the coming judgment into the new world.
Again you manifest your tendency to only see the negative side of things in the Bible.
turn Irit into a pillar of salt,
Do you mean Lot's wife? But she did get saved from the judgement of Sodom. So the lesson here is that one could be saved from a worst destruction but only to become a pillar of shame.
This is very valuable lesson to those awaiting the rapture. It is not enough to simply come out physically. God's salvation acts to ring us out of the place of judgment in our heart, psychologically as well. If we did not have the example of Lot's wife we might think that God only wants to physically remove us from the evil world. No He desires to separate our inward being from that evil as well.
You see Lot's wife did not come out of Sodom in her heart though she did come out physically. This is a tremdendous lesson for all believers in Christ to take heed to.
I wish you could get some help to view some of these stories also from the positive side.
and is biding His time to send me to Hell.
I do not know the state of your standing before God. But I would suggest that God's "biding His time" is designed to lead you to repentence and salvation. At least we are told so:
"The Lord does not delay regarding the promise, as some count delay, but is long-suffering toward you, not intending that any perish but that all advance to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)
You could thank God that He has still given you time.
This complaint of yours does not sound like one who regards the Bible as no more valid than a comic book. It sounds like you have some real concern there.
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Message 144 of 319 (492842)
01-03-2009 8:59 AM
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01-01-2009 6:10 PM


There is no heaven until god creates it. There is no earth until god creates it. Those events happen on the second and third days, respectively.
So you become a hyper literalist when it suits you ? Don't tell me you cannot conceive of WET earth underneath water being made to APPEAR as the water recedes.
"Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land APPEAR".
So you say that there was only water and for the dry land to appear is for God to have created it at that instance. Why does the text refer to "DRY land"? Doesn't that imply that the WET land was underneath the water?
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So if god repents for a mistake that he made, then he shows himself to be incapable of saving you and giving you eternal life?
Now are you showing your true colors? The goal of your selective hyper literalist interpretations is to make the Bible appear too absurd to be trusted for salvation.
That's some wayward rationalization there. So your game is to "Out FUNDAMENTAL" the Fundamentalists to push Scripture into a position that it is too absurd to be trusted for salvation.
Is that your game?
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Message 145 of 319 (492864)
01-03-2009 11:28 AM
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Rrhain writes:
There are others. God repents all the time for the mistakes that he makes. In fact, Genesis 2 shows god making blunder after blunder. First he makes a human male but then notes that he made a mistake by making him alone. So he tries to find a companion for the man and creates a bunch of animals but then notes that he made a mistake by making animals rather than another human. Only then does he finally get it right by making a second human.
Come on Rrhain, use you head for something besides a theatrical hat rack. Certainly anyone with any intellect at all can see that from an omnipotent perspective, these statements are to be understood as anthropomorphic in character. Gods overall all plan in history, peoples lives and in human affairs is put in such a way so we can look at it from our perspective. Example:
"The EYES of the Lord are over all the righteouss, his EARS are open unto thier prayers, but the FACE of the Lord is against them which do evil".
God is Spirit, they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.
We can only understand communication through these means, so Gods characteristics are represented in a way we can understand. Those passages that characterize God as implying he made mistakes should be understood in the same context. Its part of a plan that involves free will, yet God knows his plan from the beginning andits purpose to fulfillment. How could omnipotence do otherwise.
It is my belief that you understand this already and this is a cavil presented as a distraction.
But then again you could not see the difference between a tautology and an axiom either, ha, ha.
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Message 146 of 319 (492877)
01-03-2009 3:18 PM
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01-03-2009 11:28 AM


Certainly anyone with any intellect at all can see that from an omnipotent perspective, these statements are to be understood as anthropomorphic in character. Gods overall all plan in history, peoples lives and in human affairs is put in such a way so we can look at it from our perspective. Example:
"The EYES of the Lord are over all the righteouss, his EARS are open unto thier prayers, but the FACE of the Lord is against them which do evil".
God is Spirit, they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.
We can only understand communication through these means, so Gods characteristics are represented in a way we can understand. Those passages that characterize God as implying he made mistakes should be understood in the same context. Its part of a plan that involves free will, yet God knows his plan from the beginning andits purpose to fulfillment. How could omnipotence do otherwise.
And this would just be your subjective interpretation of this scripture Bertot. You do not have any more of a leg to stand on than they way in which Rhains interpreted this scripture.
Here are some more instances of God changing his mind or seeming not be as omniscient as modern Christians make him out to be:
Genesis 18:20-21 writes:
Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
God states that he will go down to Sodom and Gomorrah to determine if the city is as wicked as it seems to be.
Ezekiel 5:12-15 writes:
Eat the food as you would a barley cake; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel." The LORD said, "In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them." Then I said, "Not so, Sovereign LORD! I have never defiled myself. From my youth until now I have never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals. No unclean meat has ever entered my mouth"."Very well," he said, "I will let you bake your bread over cow manure instead of human excrement."
Besides the yuch factor, God changes his mind and allows Ezekiel to eat a cow dung pie instead of one made from human crap.

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 147 of 319 (492894)
01-04-2009 2:22 AM
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DA writes:
And this would just be your subjective interpretation of this scripture Bertot. You do not have any more of a leg to stand on than they way in which Rhains interpreted this scripture.
Darn it. I was really hoping for a response from Rrhain, but I suppose yours will have to do for now. Im hesitant to respond to yours because they demonstrate a bit of simplicity and immaturity that is hard to get use to. Besides this your debating skills are sloppy, inefficient and a bit lacking in understanding. No No No, dont get mad I am just kiding, there squidward. I like to add a bit of humor to an otherwise tense situation. You know that male jousting thingy.
Anywho.
DA writes:
Here are some more instances of God changing his mind or seeming not be as omniscient as modern Christians make him out to be:
Genesis 18:20-21 writes:
Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
God states that he will go down to Sodom and Gomorrah to determine if the city is as wicked as it seems to be.
So God comes to destroy a place that he is not sure of and enters into a bargain with Abraham, that if he can find 5 righteouss people he will not destroy it. You do remember this part, right, DA? It should be fairly obvious that he did already know there were none righteouss people therefrom the context correct. Besides this he is God DA. Come on DA use that Navy knogin.
Hey guess what as it turns out God was right after all there were none, except Lot and his faimily, which did not belong there in the first place. Boy my God is neat isnt he with those neat little magic tricks of his. No just kidding again. I hope the following article sheds some light.
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Anthropomorphism:
God relates to us in human terms
Anthropomorphism comes from two Greek words: anthropos (man) and morphe (form). Therefore, an anthropomorphism is when God appears to us or manifests Himself to us in human form or even attributes to Himself human characteristics. We see this all over the Bible -- and rightly so. After all, we cannot ascend to where God is, but He can descend to where we are.
Following are a few verses from the Bible that ascribe to God human actions, attributes, and emotions. Remember, God works with us in our time frame. He has endured not only eternity, but also human history as He moves through it and through and with people to bring about His sovereign will and purpose. Should we then assume that God would not relate to us in terms familiar to our own actions? And should we not also assume that in so doing God will present aspects of Himself to us that would be paradoxical? Take for example the fact that God is all powerful (Jer. 32:17,27 ), yet He rests (Gen. 2:2). We see that God is in all places (Psalm 139:7-12), yet He asks Adam, "Where are you?" (Gen. 3:9). We see that God knows all things (1 John 3:20). Yet, we see that God says, "Now I know that you fear God..." (Gen. 22:12).
If, as the Open Theist wants to assert that God does not know all future events because He says, for example, to Abraham, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me,” (Gen. 22:12) then can we also not assert that since God asks "Adam, where are you?" that God is not in all places since if God was in all places He would know exactly where Adam was? Or if God rests that does it mean that God is not all powerful? Of course not. Open Theism simply reduces the attribute of God's omniscience by exalting the condition of man's freedom. Whenever man is exalted, God must be lessened. This is the fundamental problem in Open Theism: It raises man's sovereignty so much, that God's qualities and attributes must be lessened; namely, God is not all knowing.
Following are various verses that demonstrate God's human-like manifestation to us in actions, emotions, and physique. Thus we can see that such condescension on God's part to us will naturally result in God saying things that will require a deeper examination.
Human actions - changed mind, relented, remembered, rested
Exodus 32:14, "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people."
2 Sam. 24:16, "When the angel stretched out his hand toward Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord relented from the calamity, and said to the angel who destroyed the people, “It is enough! Now relax your hand!”
Gen. 9:16, “When the bow is in the cloud, then I will look upon it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.”
Gen. 2:2, "And by the seventh day God completed His work which He had done; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done."
Human emotions - sorrow, jealousy, pity, regret
Gen. 6:6, "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart."
Exodus 20:5, "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me."
Judges 2:18, "...for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who oppressed and afflicted them."
1 Sam. 15:35, "And Samuel did not see Saul again until the day of his death; for Samuel grieved over Saul. And the Lord regretted that He had made Saul king over Israel."
Human physique - hands, face, mouth, eyes, arm.
Exodus 7:5, "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I stretch out My hand on Egypt and bring out the sons of Israel from their midst.”
Num. 6:24, "The Lord make His face shine on you, and be gracious to you."
Psalm 33:6, "By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of His mouth all their host."
Psalm 34:15, "The eyes of the Lord are toward the righteous, and His ears are open to their cry."
Psalm 89:10, "Thou Thyself didst crush Rahab like one who is slain;
Thou didst scatter Thine enemies with Thy mighty arm."
Other - Wings
Psalm 57:1, "Be gracious to me, O God, be gracious to me, for my soul takes refuge in Thee; and in the shadow of Thy wings I will take refuge, until destruction passes by."
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"God knows what is right and wrong, because He defines morality and truth”His Word is the standard for righteous judgment. Hannah wanted desperately to have a child, but she was unable to do so. In her fervent request for God’s intervention, she prayed: “ . the Lord is the God of knowledge; and by Him actions are weighed” (1 Samuel 2:3). God has revealed what to do in order to please Him, and He knows of our obedience and disobedience (Proverbs 15:3)."
'The Omniscience of God', Apologetics press Caleb Colley
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Message 148 of 319 (492897)
01-04-2009 4:56 AM


taps foot whilst waiting for someone to tackle the dilema over why the 7th day is not spoken of as coming to and end
'and there came to be evening and there came to be morning a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th day'.... but no 7th day
Gen 2:2 '2And by the seventh day God came to the completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made. 3And God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred, because on it he has been resting from all his work that God has created for the purpose of making.'
why doesnt the 7th day come to an end???
anyone???

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Message 149 of 319 (492908)
01-04-2009 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Dawn Bertot
01-04-2009 2:22 AM


Darn it. I was really hoping for a response from Rrhain, but I suppose yours will have to do for now. Im hesitant to respond to yours because they demonstrate a bit of simplicity and immaturity that is hard to get use to. Besides this your debating skills are sloppy, inefficient and a bit lacking in understanding. No No No, dont get mad I am just kiding, there squidward. I like to add a bit of humor to an otherwise tense situation. You know that male jousting thingy...Come on DA use that Navy knogin.
And ad hominum attacks do nothing to bolster your position. They just make you look arrogant and condescending. If you are trying to convert me you are doing a pitiful job at it.
Anyways, my point in bring these few scriptures up was to show how anyone on reading the Bible could see how inconsistent the persona of God is in the Bible even to a first time reader. I understand the modern Christians' attempt to justify all the attrocities and inconsistencies in the Bible. Remember, I used to be in your shoes (religiously) as well. Also, I used CARM alot as well when I was a Christian. It is a good fallback when in attempting to justify many of the Bible's inconsistencies. Here is another good Christian apologetics website that I once used: Christian Research Institute.
BTW, I have been called worse both in and outside the Navy, so it really doesn't matter what you say to me, I don't take it personally, but when you insult me it just hurts your own position and makes it look like your another pompous, self-righteous, religious jerk on the Internet. You may want to change your tactics if you are trying to save the lost as dictated by Jesus' Great Commission. And saying your "kidding" does not remove any responsibility for the things you say, it just shows how shallow and immature you appear to be (no matter what your real age is).
Anywho.
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 150 of 319 (492913)
01-04-2009 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by DevilsAdvocate
01-04-2009 8:33 AM


DA writes:
And ad hominum attacks do nothing to bolster your position. They just make you look arrogant and condescending. If you are trying to convert me you are doing a pitiful job at it.
Dont you mean unrelostrelate you?. Obviously you already know what the truth is in these matters. You just need to apply allitle common sense and come on home, brother.
BTW, I have been called worse both in and outside the Navy, so it really doesn't matter what you say to me, I don't take it personally, but when you insult me it just hurts your own position and makes it look like your another pompous, self-righteous, religious jerk on the Internet.
So let me get this straight. As long as I am acting like a sempering, cowering defensless Christian and taking all of your abuse, ridicule and insults in your posts Im a good Christian and you will use that against me as well. Pretty neat little system you have set up thier DA. It reminds me of that song:
"Kick em when thier up, kick em when thier down. Kick em when thier up, kick em all around".
Maybe its you that needs to adjust his attitude, or am I non Christian for saying so.
DA, calm down. It was just alittle humor to lighten the otherwise tense situation. Its ok if you call me fly boy, wing nut or Smurf. Trust me I was not insulting you. I believe your skills are as good as any here I have seen. You seem to be very knowledgable in what I call nit noid facts as well, as your post are very thourough at times.
Also, I used CARM alot as well when I was a Christian. It is a good fallback when in attempting to justify many of the Bible's inconsistencies. Here is another good Christian apologetics website that I once used: Christian Research Institute.
I believe this is Hank Henagraph, correct? I listen to him on the radio at times. Two of my favorite denominationalist speakers are Ravi Zachariahs and Alistair Begg, if that is how you spell thiers names. Truth For Life - The Bible-Teaching Ministry of Alistair Begg and 403 Forbidden Thanks for the other one I will take a look at it. These are two of the best apologists and speakers I have ever heard, Ihope you enjoy thier sermons.
Your friend
D Bertot
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