Message 197 of 245 (145662) 11-30-2004 10:59 PM

Reply to: Message 195 by d_yankee 11-30-2004 10:52 PM

Revenge soon!

Message 198 of 245 (145663) 11-30-2004 11:57 PM

Reply to: Message 195 by d_yankee 11-30-2004 10:52 PM

I have a couple of questions for you. As this thread is about education, I would like to use your answers in my evolution course (in which we also discuss the predictions of creation hypotheses).

1. Why do you assume that evolutionists are atheists? Science itself is actually agnostic, not atheistic (which requires a belief), and scientists (and thus evolutionists) therefore have the freedom to believe in God (and many do).

2. Do you take the biblical events as literal and global explanations for patterns of biological variation in the fossil record? If so...

2a. I would agree that a prolonged seawater flooding could potentially explain why fossil oysters might be found in some areas that are now land. Would you not agree that orogeny (pushing up of mountains that once were undersea sediments) could explain the existence of fossil oysters on mountain tops? (If not, why not?)

2b. Why are there two strikingly different (indeed, conflicting) creation myths in Genesis? Which one do you hold to be the accurate one, and why?

Message 199 of 245 (145664) 12-01-2004 12:51 AM

Reply to: Message 195 by d_yankee 11-30-2004 10:52 PM

Actually, the Flud explanation doesn't explain anything about fossils, most particularly why they're so well-sorted. For instance it doesn't explain why grass pollen is never found in dinosaur layers, or why you never find a T Rex next to its last meal of cattle.

It doesn't explain how human civilizations could exist before, during, and after the purported flood time yet not have noticed they were all drowning. It doesn't explain why there are coral reefs far older than the flood - even though no coral reef could have survived the flood. It doesn't explain why there's any life at all on Earth - there's no way that all of the current species could be decended from the scant number of animals that could have fit on the Ark, and even if they could, there's no way that an Ark full of animals could have survived the thermodymaic conditions of the Flooded Earth, which would have raised atmospheric temperatures to well over 200 degrees.

When you get right down to it, the flood explains nothing. Because it explains nothing, it belongs in a mythology book, not a science classroom.

Message 200 of 245 (145665) 12-01-2004 2:26 AM

Reply to: Message 199 by crashfrog 12-01-2004 12:51 AM

d yankee, you claimed some amount of science eduction. You have been asked to explain something simple, like the sea shells.

More and more you show that your so-called eduction is only parroting creationists sites which, unfortunately, are rather ready to use lies if that convinces their intended audience.

I think you are going to have to stop simply making assertions now and start to back them up.

If you can't learn how to conduct yourself over the next couple of days (or few 10's of posts, whichever comes first) you will have to be confined to boot camp so you don't continue to pollute to many fora.

Message 202 of 245 (145667) 12-01-2004 5:10 AM

Reply to: Message 201 by zol 12-01-2004 5:04 AM

The christian Godhead is dicussed in R.E. - where he belongs allow with Allah and all their other chums.

Message 203 of 245 (145668) 12-01-2004 5:11 AM

Reply to: Message 193 by d_yankee 11-30-2004 10:30 PM

Creation myths are not falsifiable and are therefore pointless as anything other than an article of faith.

Evolution can be falsified, so why has no one been able to prove evolution incorrect?

Maybe you are capable of falsifying evolution?

Cheers.

Brian.

Message 204 of 245 (145669) 12-01-2004 5:19 AM

Reply to: Message 201 by zol 12-01-2004 5:04 AM

Remember, if it wasn't for Scotland the rest of the world would still be living in caves and eating each other

We are actually instructed to teach from a non-conversional stance. If we are found to be promoting one faith over another, including atheism, then we would be in trouble with our employers.

Maybe we should go back to teaching fear of God, we must be due another Dark Age.

Brian.

Message 206 of 245 (145671) 12-01-2004 5:21 AM

Reply to: Message 202 by CK 12-01-2004 5:10 AM

It appears that the fruitloops are out in force for Xmas time.

Message 207 of 245 (145672) 12-01-2004 10:50 AM

Reply to: Message 201 by zol 12-01-2004 5:04 AM

Please refrain and use your time to support what you are saying elsewhere.

Message 209 of 245 (145674) 12-01-2004 7:50 PM

Reply to: Message 198 by David Fitch 11-30-2004 11:57 PM

2) Second answer. Yes. Through my studies of history, theology, science, and the Bible I take them literally when they mean it.

2a) Orogeny is part of what happened during the Great Flood. Genesis states..."the fountains of the great deep "BURST" open and the water above the heaven poured down upon the earth...

2b)Can you state what conflicting myths you are talking about. Because I've read many translations of the Bible and don't know what you may be talking about. Clarify.

Message 210 of 245 (145675) 12-01-2004 7:56 PM

Reply to: Message 209 by d_yankee 12-01-2004 7:50 PM

You then state that evolutionists are beginning to sway over to an intelligent designer.

What does "sway over to" mean? Where did you get this idea? You have yet to do anything but make assertions. It is time you learned that you need to do better than that if you want to have any credibility.

I am still waiting for you to explain the sea shells.

see:
Evidence for and against Flood theories