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Author Topic:   Are there any "problems" with the ToE that are generally not addressed?
Loudmouth
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Message 151 of 268 (144432)
09-24-2004 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Robert Byers
09-23-2004 4:02 PM


Re: Repetition and Rebuttal
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Althought great damage during plate teutonic days.
I didn't know Germans were famous for their fine china. Sorry, couldn't help it.
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Toe is requiring stability of fish by way of stability of ocean. Its so long to have a stable ocean floor when all else is brecking up and massive destruction and extinction that the picture requires a faith without foundation.
So the problem is that Robert doesn't believe it so therefore it didn't happen. That is a pretty poor way to frame and argument. Why don't you show us evidence of deep sea environments only emerging in the last few thousand years. If not, then I will go with the evidence that shows a static environment for millions of years.
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On paper anything is possible as saying there is life out in space or saying there isn't.
In the case of deep sea environments, the writing is in the rocks.
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Time and change here however is unreasonable though in a most very most very strict way possible.
If it's possible what is your proble? Where is the problem for ToE?
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Message 152 of 268 (144435)
09-24-2004 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Loudmouth
09-24-2004 12:40 PM


Re: Repetition and Rebuttal
Loudmouth writes:
I didn't know Germans were famous for their fine china.
Hee hee hee. this is funny!!!

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 153 of 268 (144467)
09-24-2004 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by arachnophilia
09-24-2004 12:08 AM


Nowhere To Go
WT writes:
Message 134http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/scavenging.html
"Fossils, though few and rare, are by for the most important evidence we have of hominid evolution."
Darwins Terrier writes:
http://< !--UB EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution -->http://EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution -->EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution< !--UE-->
Next, it would hardly be a surprise if "a smart scientist from another discipline" would think there's little to go on. There really isn't a vast quantity of hominin fossils by volume -- which is no surprise either; it's due to the taphonomic conditions where these things are found.
You could fit the entire hominin fossil record in the boot of, well maybe a large estate. (No, I won’t translate; Americans never bother!) But the question is, so what?
It is not sheer quantity that matters, but what a highly experienced anatomist and palaeontologist can tell from what there is.
My original point remains unscathed:
Evolutionists have admittedly pronounced as fact based upon a scant paucity of disputed evidence.
Your halloween movie prop picture can be and is asserted to be whatever you evos say it is. Its age is arbitrarily changed annually.
Common sense says nobody can objectively determine that a said object is millions of years old - that is a dead give away of bullshit.
Evos cannot even recognize Biblical evidence in the thousands of years in age yet they suddenly can matter of factly determine bits of bones to be in the millions.
Yet we have a physical structure in Egypt which decimates the atheist worldview (Great Pyramid) and its Divine intelligent design confirming the written word is winked at.
But you evos can declare as fact things to be thus and such millions of years old but the voluminous irrefutable physical see for yourself evidence of the GP is completely ignored.
Hominind evolution is based upon virtually nothing.
What we have is pure verified inconsistency:
Any paucity of evidence within the sweetheart realm of evolutionary myths is not a problem but the evidence of ancient Israel is treated differently.
The only evidence I need for the Exodus is the book of Exodus.
Exodus 32:4
and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods
The authors of the Bible are honest reporters whereas the wizards of evolution are a ghoulish patchwork glueing together scraps of bones.
The evo god is quadrupeds/created things which is sin like the Exodus text above says. And we know from other passages that Satan incites sin/molten calfs/quadrupeds/animals.
Romans 1:
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
That word "image" in the greek is the same word which we get "icon" from, hence the verse pinpoints the "icons of evolution"/corruptible anthropon (fossils), birds, quadrupeds, creeping things (animals).
How many evos have an avatar of an animal ? "these be your gods O' Darwinists"
The above was written 2000 years ago. Darwinism fulfilled this prophecy.
The "irony" of the text is inescapable - Divinely inescapable.

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Rei
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Message 154 of 268 (144472)
09-24-2004 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Cold Foreign Object
09-24-2004 3:22 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
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Evolutionists have admittedly pronounced as fact based upon a scant paucity of disputed evidence.
How many times do I have to ask you whether you consider more than 500 neanderthal individuals' remains, a fair number of them complete, to be such "a scant paucity". And please state what is disputed about them. And this is just neanderthals alone - do we need to get into some of the other 30+ fossil hominid species? Yes, about half of those species only have a few fossils. Many, however, have a large number of fossils.
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Your halloween movie prop picture can be and is asserted to be whatever you evos say it is.
Cite a single case of two scientists that believe in evolution who have stated that it is something different from what the other scientist says. Just one case. As a note, I will hound you on this one until you either cite such a case, or publicly drop the claim.
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Its age is arbitrarily changed annually.
Cite a single case of its estimated age changing by any relevant amount. Just one case. As a note, I will hound you on this one until you either cite such a case, or publicly drop the claim.
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Common sense says nobody can objectively determine that a said object is millions of years old
You know, I don't give a flying flip about your "argument from personal incredulity". Either address the techniques involved in dating it, or publicly drop the claim.
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Evos cannot even recognize Biblical evidence in the thousands of years in age
Funny, because you can't seem to present any. Arachnophilia presented you with a simple challenge: He shows you a fossil hominid (something from a population several million years ago which evolved in places that we have to guess at to find) for every hebrew artifact from the Exodus (something from a huge number of people supposedly a few thousand years ago) that you present. You haven't presented a single one. Now, why is that? Please answer.
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yet they suddenly can matter of factly determine bits of bones to be in the millions.
Once again: Address the techniques in the proper thread, or publicly concede the point.
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Yet we have a physical structure in Egypt which decimates the atheist worldview (Great Pyramid)
Go back to your pyramidology thread; you have about a dozen points that are open that you need to challenge.
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Hominind evolution is based upon virtually nothing.
Yeah, if you call "virtually nothing" several hundred thousand man hours and tens of thousands of bones of thousands of individuals. You have an interesting concept of "virtually nothing", you know that?
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Any paucity of evidence within the sweetheart realm of evolutionary myths
When are you going to present what this "paucity of evidence is"?
Willowtree, I grow weary of your vagueness. This is, again, another direct challenge: Put Up Or Shut Up.
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The only evidence I need for the Exodus is the book of Exodus.
That explains an awful lot.
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The authors of the Bible are honest reporters
When did you meet them to assess their credibility? If you want to assess their credibility based on evidence, you need to present the evidence, something you keep refusing to do.
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whereas the wizards of evolution are a ghoulish patchwork glueing together scraps of bones.
When did you meet them to assess their credibility? If you want to assess their credibility based on evidence, you need to present the evidence, something you keep refusing to do.
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The evo god is quadrupeds/created things which is sin like the Exodus text above says.
No, the god of the vast majority of believers of evolution in the US is YHVH.
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Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Oh really?
"I proved the existence of God. I am probably the only person in the history of the Internet to incorporate all the evidence and their correct explanations in proving the existence of God."
This message has been edited by Rei, 09-24-2004 02:55 PM

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Message 155 of 268 (144478)
09-24-2004 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Rei
09-24-2004 3:55 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
I am ignoring the content of your post because you ignored the content of my post.
Anyone can produce a long word packed post just to distance themself from the original post and its uncomfortable arguments.

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Message 156 of 268 (144480)
09-24-2004 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
09-24-2004 4:18 PM


Anyone can produce a long word packed post just to distance themself from the original post
When did "I can't read" become a legitimate rebuttal to arguments? Just curious.

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Loudmouth
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Message 157 of 268 (144481)
09-24-2004 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Cold Foreign Object
09-24-2004 3:22 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
quote:
Romans 1:
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
And that creature is creationism. They think themselves wise enough to tell God how he created instead of letting God's creation tell them how He created. They worship the Bible above all else, even God himself.

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Rei
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Message 158 of 268 (144482)
09-24-2004 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
09-24-2004 4:18 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
I responded to almost everything in your post - I even put your words in quote boxes. Now, respond to my post.

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Message 159 of 268 (144497)
09-24-2004 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Rei
09-24-2004 4:32 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
You responded to chopped up quotes and evaded my points especially the initial quotes.
Anyone with a lick of God sense knows man could not evolved, that the pseudo evidence is the result of God senseless persons creating and manufacturing evidence because the alternative is not an option - God.

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Message 160 of 268 (144498)
09-24-2004 4:55 PM


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Message 161 of 268 (144501)
09-24-2004 4:56 PM
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09-24-2004 4:53 PM


Forum Guidelines Warning
Engage the discussion or stop posting to this thread.

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Rei
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Message 162 of 268 (144506)
09-24-2004 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Cold Foreign Object
09-24-2004 4:53 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
Either cite *specifically* how I was misrepresenting you, or respond to my post. I'm not going to let you get away with what you keep on doing here by refusing to present specifics despite repeated attempts for them; I mean, for god's sake, you're even refusing to present specifics in your explanation for why you're not responding to my post asking for specifics!

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Message 163 of 268 (144515)
09-24-2004 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Rei
09-24-2004 5:03 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
You had to summon Admin to bail you out.
I began this exchange with two quotes from evos. Message 153
Rei has evaded the quotes - fine.
That has been my only point - that and the facts in the quotes that admit a paucity of hominid fossil evidence.
Answer my points or snivel to Admin to further rescue you.
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Message 164 of 268 (144523)
09-24-2004 5:26 PM


I am leaving but when I come back I will decimate your dating nonsense.

  
Rei
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Message 165 of 268 (144530)
09-24-2004 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Cold Foreign Object
09-24-2004 5:12 PM


Re: Nowhere To Go
1. I did not summon the admin; they came on their own, and quite justly.
2. The first quote that you cited was already debunked by Arachnophilia in message 135. You only responded to his debunking with a non sequitur. How dare you bring the quote back up without addressing his debunking, and then refuse to answer my entire post because I didn't basically repeat what he said again?
The second quote was from an evc poster who isn't here to debate. That evc poster didn't provide a reference either. What, do you want me to argue with a wall?
Is that your only excuse for not responding to my post? That I didn't cover every single line of your post? You're covering zero lines of my post!. *And*, you complained about my post being too long as it is!
I want a response to my post.
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