Women and Religion - Does it anger you?

I just see the woman being the nurturer, its not right for the man to be an effeminate(soft), nor abusers of themselves with mankind(sodomite). Let the man be the head of the house, and Christ the head of the church, as far as the sodomites, the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God, kjv 1 Co 6:9 clarifies, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, etc...P.S. It says that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God kjv 1 Co 6:9. for their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges. kjv deuteronomy 32:31 Just thinking about it, in America, we have just a few liberal judges ruling in favor of this abomination, in spite of federal law, so our enemies being judges has caused the Congress of the United States to need to draft an amendment to protect the sanctity of marriage, from judges overstepping their powers in favor of this abomination, in spite of federal law, etc...

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"And how is this view different than "pick and chose" whatever suits your needs?The bible clearly states in many places that the woman is supposed to be below the man. "It's quite different, actually. For one thing this is for the needs of women and I'm not a woman.It's not just picking and choosing, it's reasoning. From what I have experienced in my life Jesus Christ is the messiah of the God of Abraham, who wants to save everyone; If you disagree with any of that then you can open a new thread to argue your case there.With the omniloving God premise established, it's doubtful that prejudice or sexism in the Bible would be His words.[This message has been edited by Born2Preach, 04-20-2004]

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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

Sorry about replying so late, but I haven't been around much. It is a difficult subject matter. One important point is this: not everything that happens in the Bible was ordained or even supported by God. For example, when Lot gives his daughters to the citizens of Sodom to be raped, I am pretty sure that God wasn't too happy about that. It's simply immoral. I believe men and women are equal and Jesus did treat women with respect. Jesus says on numerous occasions: "It has been written that X, but I tell you Z". There are things in the OT which I find really confusing. I don't know what to think of them. So I look at Christ. He didn't treat women as inferior beings, didn't regard them as property.It is a subject matter that I myself am not fully ready with. I just try to have faith that God will do what is best for me.

Well... I think they don't like the original discusion of this thread.
I wonder if it's not a bit taboo or if there are problems with "women and discusions"?Denesha

Well, I guess there are no women who have strong opinions on this. Christian women should really think about this one... Better yet, post your comments. Unlike church, you are welcome to speak freely here Why would this be a "taboo" subject?

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The ladies are quite good at gossiping (better at it than men), thought thats why no apostles were ladies,

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Um, no, there were no female apostles because women were considered property in Biblical times. Kinda like cattle or other livestock.

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and that only men are supposed to be pastors, I suppose though all there gossiping has kinda liberlised the churches(not a good thing), perhaps the ladies should be silent in the churches, and ask there husband if she has a question, etc...

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Yeah. Women should just shut up and do what they are told, if they know what's good for them.

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P.S. Its about order too, like in the home who is the boss, the children, the wife, the husband. The bible makes it clear the man is the head of the house, spare the rod and spoil the child, in love, etc...

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Yes, physical violence and intimidation is generally the best way to get ones way, isn't it?

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I heard though where nuns in a catholic school maintained order by slapping fingers with a ruler(bet it was sanctioned by the priest)but it worked, it registered in the brain and maintained order.

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Pain and intimidation and fear are really conducive to learning, I agree.

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All this gooey stuff, sounds good, but nothing like a deserved spanking given in love, to register in junior's brain, to respect the husbands authority.

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I was spanked and smacked upside the head as a child, and I hated the parent who did it.White hot, seething hatred, every time.Eventually, when I was big enough, I hit back, and then I wasn't hit any longer.

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When the child becomes boss, its chaos.

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The only way an adult can figure out to teach a child how to behave is to hit them?

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When the wife respect's the husbands authority, the child respects his authority too(Dad can be scarry),

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So, the wife and child should be scared of the man?

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should not children go to bed by 8 PM so the husband can have quiet times with his wife without junior ranting, about me myself and I. It appears at times junior is the boss, and the wife should get in line with the husband, unfortunately the social services will likely not see spankings as appropriate discipline (they want to disrupt the family),

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So, the only way a supposedly intelligent adult can think of to teach a child how to behave is through hitting it?I mean, I managed to train several dogs without hitting them.[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 04-20-2004]

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I just see the woman being the nurturer, its not right for the man to be an effeminate(soft), nor abusers of themselves with mankind(sodomite).

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That's nice.Who made you the arbiter of how the genders should behave?

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in America, we have just a few liberal judges ruling in favor of this abomination, in spite of federal law,

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Huh? What federal law makes homosexuality illegal?

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so our enemies being judges has caused the Congress of the United States to need to draft an amendment to protect the sanctity of marriage, from judges overstepping their powers in favor of this abomination, in spite of federal law, etc...

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Why should your religious views dictate our government's laws?Last time I checked, we had a secualr government, not a religious government, in the US.Heve things changed?

Quick off-topic message to To Lam, - no reply needed.Okay - fair enough, it's just that I thought you might have assumed each and every "bible basher" argues against homosexuality. And I wanted to show that's not the case. The living word is basically: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God...and the word became flesh"> Hence my point is, that I take the words of the living word over any other word. The bible is still "inspired" by God --> That's my belief anyway.Dan, why do I annoy you in debate? Get over the fact that you are a more of a chance deludant.

Schraf :It could be said that atheism is a religion and thus this religion is being endorsed and shoved down the throats of America. In fact atheism is a religion and the federal courts have adopted this religion to unofficially be the religion that will not be separated from the State.Classic reverse tyranny; the minority ruling the majority under the guise of what the Constitution says; via what some judge thinks it should of said.I am for equal federal rights for homosexuals, but, unfortunately gays do not fight for eroding religious freedoms as they do for other rights. When religious freedoms are decisioned away in the fight against terrorism - everyone loses because YOUR rights are next. If you think the government is going to stop with one element(s) rights then you are naive to recent history which says the beast cannot stop as it is its nature to consume rights and take control.The Federal judiciary has become the State's enforcer under the appearance of impartiality. The Constitution is the enemy and routinely circumvented by people who "think they are smarter than Thomas Jefferson".

The most content, happy and fulfilled women I know recognize and honor the Bibllical family setup. Why?1. Because rather than this off and on bickering about how things should be done, there's more relatively tensionless discussion in which the loving husband considers and listens to the wishes of the wife. The workable leadership role of that loving husband serves well when a final decision must be made when an agreement can't be reached.2. Generally speaking, men are designed for that leadership role. That's why by and large, men make better generals, presidents and CEOs. Their God given lower authoritative voice and physical strength as well as the metal makeup better fit the husband for this role. Men are, for the most part better at decision making.3. By and large it is the male, both in humans and other creatures that leads and provides, and the one which initiates the romantic and mating process.4. The children are better off when there os one head of the family and less bikering for them to endure from their parents.5. The divorce rate among Biblical (I say Biblical) run homes would be lower where both recognize one as head and final authority. Please note that I am not speaking for Christians in general because a relatively small number of CHristians go by the Bible on this leadership role matter. This, imo, the rate of Christian divorces is also quite high. You have a flawed understanding about the Biblical chain of headship. No place in the Bible is the wife lowered to child status nor in homes which go by the Bible. Your reasoning would imply that the vice president and treasurer of a company are treated like children. That's just not the case at all. As was so with Abraham and Sarah thousands of years ago, there is discussion and compromising dialog between husband and wife when decisions are made. Relatively few businesses operate via partnerships and many of these have more or less silent partners or one who has the greater leadership role. Relatively few partnerships are as successful and workable without more stress than a normal chain of leadership. Most advise against them. There are, of course, exceptions, as also is the case in marriages. I have a friend who's wife is quite a bit more intelligent than he so he leaves more decision making to her. Nevertheless, she, being also a Biblical Christian honors his leadership role to the greatest extent possible. You know, of course, more than I about how that's working out and how many heated arguments there are. I have numerous friends and aquaintences who operate this way, but more often in these setups it's the woman who manages the money and ends up the leader with the wimpy male the one begging like a child for a few bucks to buy the tool or whatever. I've been behind the counter in the retail business for over forty years and I speak from experience on this.Women respect and admire men who assume their God given leadership role and often women despise the wimpy man of the house. Don't let that word "command" throw you. Chain of leadership might be the better phrase. Anyhow I wish the best to you and yours. I don't know and neither do you. LOL if you are comparing this to what is known to go in in most Muslim nations. The Quran teaches that brutality and cruelty to women is fine and dandy and it's author practiced what he preached in this regard.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

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Dan, why do I annoy you in debate? Get over the fact that you are a more of a chance deludant.

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*WHACK*

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"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

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It could be said that atheism is a religion

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It could also be said that I am Lord High Emperor of the world.

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In fact atheism is a religion

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In fact I am Lord High Emperor of the world.This is always a fun game.

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via what some judge thinks it should of said.

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I'll bite. Specifically what case are you referring to where a judge has put their opinion as to what the constitution should say above what the constitution does say?

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I am for equal federal rights for homosexuals, but, unfortunately gays do not fight for eroding religious freedoms as they do for other rights.

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I'll bite again. Specifically what religious freedoms are eroding away?

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"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

You ever notice how chicks don't have penises? What's up with that???

Dan, I don't speak comic, does that mean bullsh*t, or whack as in - Dan wallops the wiz over the keeshter?