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AdminNWR
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Message 76 of 300 (268972)
12-13-2005 7:18 PM


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Theodoric
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Message 77 of 300 (269127)
12-14-2005 4:22 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by coffee_addict
12-12-2005 1:40 AM


Athiests
Do you know any atheists?

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Message 78 of 300 (269128)
12-14-2005 4:49 AM
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12-10-2005 3:28 AM


Insulting
I find your OP insulting in the least, probably even racist and xenophobic.
Porteus writes:
How did you find God?
Why haven't you?
Just because you feel the need to have a relationship with a god, doesnt make those of us that don't less valid. Your post makes the assumption that there must be a reason we have "not found god". That there must have been some defect in us or our upbringing. There is no reason. I have no need or desire to follow some ancient mythology. I have no problem with people that are believers, but in no way feel a need to justify not having a belief.
I have a fantastic life. I am a very moral person. I am happy with my life, my wife and where I am in my life.
Porteus writes:
What if I was in a tribe in Africa, or a desolate region, and I looked at what was around me, would I believe in God, would I find a purpose, or a path?
Pompous elitist christian claptrap. Your statement implies that non-christians from Africa(by the way I think Africa has the one worlds largest populations of christians)have a life without purpose, without meaning. That is pretty damn arrogant of you.

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Message 79 of 300 (269224)
12-14-2005 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Theodoric
12-14-2005 4:22 AM


Re: Athiests
Sure, I do.

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Theodoric
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Message 80 of 300 (269235)
12-14-2005 12:28 PM
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12-14-2005 11:56 AM


Re: Athiests
Well you must know different ones than I do. The atheist I qssociate and know are no less, nor more giving than christians. I know 4 atheist that are involved in mentoring programs. I really hate when people make argument like yours. You insinuate that all atheist have a basic moral defect just because you have never had one influence your life or be there when you needed guidance. It has the same value as anecdotal evidence. NONE

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Message 81 of 300 (269262)
12-14-2005 2:02 PM
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12-14-2005 12:28 PM


Re: Athiests
Uh... what are you talking about? I have no idea I was insinuating anything.
Oh, and by the way, I'm an atheist myself.
Peace!

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joshua221 
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Message 82 of 300 (269379)
12-14-2005 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Theodoric
12-14-2005 4:49 AM


Re: Insulting
quote:
Pompous elitist christian claptrap. Your statement implies that non-christians from Africa(by the way I think Africa has the one worlds largest populations of christians)have a life without purpose, without meaning. That is pretty damn arrogant of you.
Actually, no, that is the exact opposite of what I intended, or ever said. You missed the point of the Post, and you're not worth my time.
quote:
I have a fantastic life. I am a very moral person. I am happy with my life, my wife and where I am in my life.
That's fantastic, so what happens when this life ends?
quote:
I have no need or desire to follow some ancient mythology.
Ancient mythology = God?
That's sort of sad.

Your body may be gone, I'm gonna carry you in.
In my head, in my heart, in my soul.
And maybe we'll get lucky and we'll both live again.
Well I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't think so.

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joshua221 
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Message 83 of 300 (269381)
12-14-2005 7:28 PM


Looks as if the topic went down in flames.
People get mad when asked about God, that's wierd.
Personal testimony turns into nazism, lol.
It's alright, It's alright.

Your body may be gone, I'm gonna carry you in.
In my head, in my heart, in my soul.
And maybe we'll get lucky and we'll both live again.
Well I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't think so.

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Theodoric
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Message 84 of 300 (269393)
12-14-2005 7:51 PM
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12-14-2005 2:02 PM


Re: Athiests
Sorry, I must have misunderstood your post. I did not mean to offend.

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Message 85 of 300 (269411)
12-14-2005 8:09 PM
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12-14-2005 7:28 PM


Nah, I don't think it went down in flames. I do think, however that this is a particularly sensitive issue since so many people are affected by the subject, both positively and negatively, while some others actually make millions to hundreds of millions capitalizing on god.
People like Swaggart and Bakker are a couple of example. It's not because they do what they do that pisses some of us off. It's that despite the fact that one got caught with prostitutes twice and the other got convicted of fraud they both still make millions through donations preaching how gay people are going to hell and such pisses us off.
I know of many christians that say these particular false prophets aren't representing a great number of christians. I disagree, considering the fact that these particular two are still receiving blank checks from so many people each year.
So, when a question like "how did you know god" comes up, people like me just can't help but think about all the negative things that are happening because so many people found god through criminals.
Make sense?

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Theodoric
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Message 86 of 300 (269412)
12-14-2005 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by joshua221
12-14-2005 7:28 PM


where did this come from?
Actually, no, that is the exact opposite of what I intended, or ever said. You missed the point of the Post, and you're not worth my time.
First of all, explain the purpose of the post. Other than self glorification in your beliefs. You obviously dont want to discuss anything with anyone that does not revel in your glorification. Since you feel people that criticize your post are not worth your time, why do you bother starting a thread.
I dont believe I ever accused you of being a nazi. I did accuse the wording of you OP as being racist and insulting to people that are not religious or followers of a god. If you can't understand the why of that then I guess we have no point of trying to meet at a point where we can discuss.
You are the one that started the opening post. When you have an OP you leave yourself open for criticism. If you can not take it dont start threads.
That's fantastic, so what happens when this life ends?
You die. You become worm dirt. Ideally, you body returns to the earth so that what is you can be used to create and nourish new life. Why is this concept so difficult for christians to accept? Why must there be something afterward?
Ancient mythology = God?
That's sort of sad.
Judeo-Christian mythology is just another mythology. Why sad? In what I beieve that is what it is.

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joshua221 
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Message 87 of 300 (269429)
12-14-2005 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Theodoric
12-14-2005 8:10 PM


Re: where did this come from?
I was describing a thought I had about being born as part of a tribe instead in America. You found it racist, which was totally off the mark.
quote:
You die. You become worm dirt. Ideally, you body returns to the earth so that what is you can be used to create and nourish new life. Why is this concept so difficult for christians to accept? Why must there be something afterward?
That should be displayed as my signature.
But I wonder why you find believing in this as your destiny after death to be true. Nothing has given you thought of the existance of a God, or an afterlife? I asked why, within the Opening Topic. If you think that the question is unfair, then you can, and should disregard the OP.
I just can't see how life could be beautiful without the existance of a God. And I wondered why this could fulfill you, the life here, without knowledge of a God, or of an afterlife. I say this not with regard to insult, but rather in how one would accept that the earthly life that is so great here would mean nothing after one's death. Anything that would ensue from then on would not matter at all, because non-existance would be a standard. What you have decided on, have believed, have loved, would be utterly lost, I can't bring myself to think of not existing, of not being able to remember or to think. It must not be natural.
Ancient mythology = God?
That's sort of sad.
quote:
Judeo-Christian mythology is just another mythology. Why sad? In what I beieve that is what it is.
You seem to focus on Christianity, when God is represented on more than that one particular philosophy.
You misunderstood me. When I said Ancient Mythology = God, I was asking why you made that correlation to the word "God". Not the word Christianity, or Christ.

Your body may be gone, I'm gonna carry you in.
In my head, in my heart, in my soul.
And maybe we'll get lucky and we'll both live again.
Well I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't think so.

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Message 88 of 300 (269430)
12-14-2005 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by joshua221
12-14-2005 7:26 PM


death
That's fantastic, so what happens when this life ends?
is that impostant?
frankly, i'm not sure which scares me more, the thought of death or of eternal life. i can barely get through this one.

אָרַח

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Theodoric
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Message 89 of 300 (269436)
12-14-2005 8:29 PM
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12-14-2005 8:25 PM


Re: where did this come from?
All belief in a god or gods is a type of mythology

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Message 90 of 300 (269444)
12-14-2005 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by joshua221
12-14-2005 7:26 PM


Re: Insulting
porteus writes:
That's fantastic, so what happens when this life ends?
Permit me to give my answer for this question.
After we die... who knows? I certainly don't, and I don't believe it for a minute that anyone else in the world actually knows.
This reminds me of a science fiction movie I recently saw. A group of humans in a distant future are living in a compound surrounded by a very tall wall. They have been living there for so many generations that they have forgotten exactly how the human civilization was reduced to being prisoners like this. What they have are stories of how an alien race came down from the sky and wiped out most people on Earth. Then, the aliens put the survivors in isolated prisons surrounded by high walls so that they would never know what their home world looked like.
As a matter of fact, the whole movie is about how people living inside this prison imagine what is on the other side of the walls. They even have factions, each believing in a different version of what the rest of the world looked like. Some believe that there are tall creatures on the other side of the wall with great big teeth and that they were put inside the walls for their own protection. Some believe that it's a paradise out there and that was why the aliens put them there in the first place: to keep them from paradise.
Anyway, there is one person that wants to see what is on the other side and so she plots against the robots that were guarding them and finally gets the gates to open to look at what is on the other side.
Anyway, the point is until we can find out some way to see what is on the other side, your speculation is just as good as mine. If the world is as simple as wanting something to be true therefore it must be true, then I could want to have a million dollars and pops out a million dollars for me to spend.
That's sort of sad.
It is sad because you still do not have the ability to comprehend anything beyond that little world of yours (aka your mind). Given that I have trouble myself understanding what goes on in that little room of yours, and given that most people actually do have trouble understanding how other people come to believe what they believe, I can say with a sense of pride that I used to be like you, an angry teenager.
Many of us, including myself, crashfrog, etc. once believed in god just like you. I used to talk to god all the time, literally. In school, on the play ground, at home, in the car, etc. And believe it or not, I used to feel a great sense of sorrow for the evil atheists, knowing they'd go to hell. My attitude was like my friend Mike's ex girlfriend. She once told him that too bad he was going to hell.
Why did I change? I finally realized that I wasn't the center of the world. I realized that wanting something to be does not necessarily mean it has to be that way. I really really really wanted heaven to be a real place even though there has never been any evidence or indication that the place actually existed. To me, god just might as well not exist. Why should I believe in something that gives us absolutely no physical evidence of its existence?
Ok, stop right there. I don't care how you feel. I don't care about that "but I know he exists... you just gotta believe me" thing. You say that you know he is there. Fine, if you want to have an imaginary friend. However, to me that is all it is, someone's imaginary friend.
If there is any point to this post, it's that you really need to start trying to understand our side more rather than feeling sorry for us all the time.
I have perfect pitch, which means I enjoy music at a level that most people can't even comprehend. When I hear music, I not only hear the pitches and the words, I hear overtones, I see visual patterns in the music, and I can easily break down and cry because music really does affect me greatly. Should I feel sorry for my friend mike who is totaly tone deaf?
May be you have a sixth sense there where you can sense god. Too bad, because I don't have it. To me, I don't feel god at all just like my friend mike who can't tell the difference between an A major chord and an A minor chord.
Speaking of music, I feel like Rachmaninov tonight. Hm... I'm going to put in Rach piano concerto 3. That one should make me cry you a river.
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