Women and the Fundamentalist View of Marriage

in this case how can anything in the Bible be trusted? ok that might be a better way to put it... Maybe you need to repair your beliefs. If it has problems Find a belief that fixes it

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As you can see Born2preach. If you come up with an explanation, they'll still try and bring the God of the bible down. I suggest you give them nothing.Even if you are correct about the OT - their intentions will remain the same. Afterall, I offered an equal view of women/men, and they then say I should keep to the OT and treat them as the lesser. Did they miss my comments about man and woman being one flesh? - Which was written IN THE OT!?!I will respond to you shortly SleepingDragon.As for my roof, it only leaks when atheists come for coffee.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 05-26-2004 10:34 AM

Exactly - it might be best to recieve a new house, a New Testament. Afterall, I did say that as soon as I break a Commandment(blemish) then my house(me) cannot be made whole. If then, my only way forward is a new house, why would I bring old things from an old house into a house which can be kept without blemish. If I take a cup from my old house, and that cup falls and breaks my new floor, surely I have spoiled that which is new with that which is old.

I can't speak for everyone but I am not trying to bring God down... I am trying to understand how you think.. If one part of the Bible can't be trusted how can any of it? Is that not a good question?

Didn't you read the part about the spiritual fruit tree? If that doesn't make everything crystal clear, then obviously you're trying to bring God down.

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"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

Who is saying it can't be trusted?Didn't I say that the eror was mine, if I fail to observe a law?I never claimed this strawman you and Dan are putting on me. I have never done this "picking and choosing" which law is wrong or right, I have only admitted in my own failure to live by it.I will try and show you how I am thinking then; The fact is, I have failed to "divide" clothes since I was a baba. In that, my mother and father dressed me and didn't divide the cloth. If I have failed the law, how then will trying to keep it make up for the failing of it? What I am saying is that one blemish will ruin me completely, unless I sacrifice sheep, hence my dilemma, hence my New Covenant. Progression, and the taking away of the sacrifice, combined with this present day world, have me in a situation whereby I can only fail the law, not through any fault of the law, but by those things I just mentioned. What then can I do? How then can I be saved? Please if anything, answer those two questions for me.

Tee hee hee, Dan Carroll's in my fruit tree.

I was mainly refering to Born to preach

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Okee dokee..Just ignore Born2preach, he's a confused little boy, lol! --> Only kiddin'The problem is that it seems to some people that there are contradictions. For many, this signals the end of their listening to it. I don't really see contradictions though, yet there is definately a certain change of plan in the New Testament. Yet Christ said he came to fulfill the law. We shouldn't assume there is a contradiction through the mere process of time and change. I suspect B2P hasn't read Galatians. Dee poor baba is too young.

I haven't dismissed OT rules/laws, I have just failed to keep them. What I mean is, when people assume a contradiction, I usually have an answer in my mind for the "supposed" contradictions in the bible. You mean you don't know? It is quite shocking that those who claim "contradictions" and "it is the word of man" don't infact, or have not even read about the fruit of the spirit.I don't pick and choose rules. I am, at the outset - a gentile, I was never under the law and therefore was breaking it, even other people broke it for me, and others for them. If in my failure, I change my ways and keep the law, what will that do? What will be my atonement. How can a pig forced to live in mud, wash himself clean? Ecept his owner comes and washes that pig clean himself. You are correct, you do deserve a response. I will do that as soon as I can.

That's a good question that calls for a very complicated answer that would send the whole thread off topic. Or just refresh yourself in your belief. If you repair a stone block with wood or wood with stone there will just be more problems. Also, if one decides he doesn't believe in Vishnu and Shiva, he can't just go ,"well, I guess I'm gonna believe in Allah now!"It's one thing to disagree with one religious doctrine, but if you believe in the Diety that goes with it then you can't just convince yourself to disbelieve so you can convert.Anyway, if you want to get more into the above statements it'd be best to start a new thread because this has nothing to do with women's rights.

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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

The f**k is that supposed to mean?! (Exactly what I said out loud when I read that sentence, edited for content.)

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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

You didn't take that seriously did you? I always call people such things, tis my bizarre sense of humour, which I see has failed to reach your side of the pond

That's fine, I didn't take you seriously; yelling obscenities is my typical reaction to anything somebody says. It's just that yours was only the 5th post or so that implied that I'm a kid or directly bitch slapped me with the 'you're so young' stick.

It's not fine - you're a cutie little babwa, I can hear your icle babwa noises from here, gu gu, ga ga.