Condemn gay marriage, or just gay rape?

Questioning God is one thing, thinking you have the right to alter his patterns is simply arroganceYou question whether I have read the Bible, when you understanding of it ranges from, Paul is an ass and "that is just another example of where the Bible is wrong", another comment made by yourself.So Jar, based on your approach to the scriptures, there is no way to define or nail anything down. Where there is no direct command, you say, everything is acceptable. When paul clearly condenms homosexuality, you call him an assYour approach to the scriptures is not only illogical, it is childish and idiotic Isnt gen 2 just another example of how the Bible is wrong on something. So this one you like, but Pauls you dont. Why is this writer valid and Paul is not? Isnt this writer just another assAnd of course you pretending that I have not answered something is just another one of your filthy lies.Please post in a direction question, or statement what I have not answered Because you do not approach things in a logical fashion, you miss even the simplest of points.Of course your club and mine differ Eienstien, so it becomes what can be logically deduced in the best fashionIts not a matter of preference here in this thread simpleton, its a matter of argumentationhere is another simple fact you seem to be missing. By presenting arguments in favor of same sex marraiges, you are then speaking for what you believe the Bible
says and inturn, what God may have said.Man, please tell me you are only pretending with your simplicity, by which you approach logic and the topicEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

here we go again. H, have you ever exterminated a colony of ants in your front yard? Or something of that nature (no pun intended).Now we do this, not asking ourselves, why or where we get the moral right to do that. None of your answers to this question will suffice as a logical answer to justify your actions but you believe it to be okWhen you answer this question, you will have answer for Gods actions. If God is not permitted to act in the manner he sees fit from a positon of omnipotence, then you have no excuse for your actions and you cannot question histrust me Ive done this argument before, you cant winDawn BertotDawn Bertot

So should the ants worship us?

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Dost thou prate, rogue?
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Real things always push back.
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"Might makes right" is not a winning argument.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Your question may be relevant but it is not logical. Humans do not enforce Gods laws, they choose to obey or not obey them.I would assume that if the Bible is true, he does enforce them, we however are living in a state of grace and trial, where it says, "every man will stand before the judgement bar of Christ""Every word and deed will be brought into judgement" So we need the standard (Gods word) to be judged byIs it possible that a person themself could be a victim of a crime if it violates Gods word?Dawn Bertot

Its not about might, its about morality and why we think we have a right and an omnipotent God does not. I believe that is called hyprocrisy, correct?Dawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

Did you create the ants?

Do you mean I am mistaken about the fact that he created her female. How could I be mistaken about the fact that she was feminine. My point still stands that he could have created Eve in the appearance of a male and still gave her the ability to reproducethere is a very specific reason he did not do this. Adam needed an equal, and an opposite at the sametime. the rule is that this is what constitues one flesh in Gods divine wisdomthe first and primary reason for her type of creation, was to meet emotional and spiritual needs, not simply physical onesHere is an interesting point. You call stupid the fact that he could have produced both as males, but this is exacally what you are calling for in you assumptionsI still think it is interesting that there are no examples of the nonesense which you advocate in the scriptures. it wasnt simply a cultural thing, they knew it was wrong to begin withDawn Bertot

Yes, the god that you depict is very hypocritical. He outdoes the worst monsters in human history at genocide and then he tortures people for falling in love with the "wrong" sex.I'm trying to help you here. I'm trying to show that God doesn't have to be a sadistic bully and an illogical fool but you keep insisting that He is.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Yes.It's in my book.

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Dost thou prate, rogue?
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Real things always push back.
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So far you have not convinced me that you even have a clue about "God's pattern".What I have said is that Paul was often an ass, and I even mentioned several areas. I can find no Biblical support for any imagined "Fall", I disagree with his position on marriage, a woman's place in society and marriage, pointed out that he was wrong about the timing of the Second Coming and so had to change his sales pitch and pointed out that he was a zealot before his experience on the road and also after his experience.I have never said that there are no standards and have even pointed out that the standard has evolved, and supported that the standards evolve with scriptural references. I think your understanding of Genesis 2&3 are wrong, and I know that Genesis 2&3 are factually wrong. That does not mean that the fable in Genesis 2&3 is without merit or value and I have tried to point out the value and merit.As to the questions you still have not addressed, I even repeated them (yet again) in the very message (Message 399) you are replying to. I will repeat them yet again.

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The issue today is relatively simply.

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Marriage is a purely secular societal contract. There are well over 1000 Federal laws, rules and regulations alone that are based on the terms marriage, husband, wife or spouse. Then there are all of the state and local regulations as well as the uncounted contracts and company policies.

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That needs to be addressed and long term committed couples regardless of their sex pairings need equal protection under the law.

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Marriage is a purely secular contract and the question is how to create equal protection under the law for same sex couples? Utter nonsense. In fact I have said repeatedly that I do not presume to speak for God or for Christianity. I have never denied that many of the various authors of the different stories in the Bible consider homosexuality was a sin. I simply believe they are wrong.In addition, I have repeatedly pointed out that YOUR chapter of Club Christian has the right to not perform same sex marriages if that is what you believe. I have even said that if YOUR chapter of Club Christian thinks homosexuality is a sin, then you should probably not participate in homosexual practices.The audience reading the thread can decide on their own who has presented a logical and reasonable argument.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

No, i'm saying that you're making up blatant falsehoods by claiming that Eve was "feminine". The Bible says nothing of the kind. It says she was "female". Yes, she could have looked exactly like Adam except for the reproductive parts. She was a clone, after all. Your reading comprehension needs work. This is what I said: What's stupid is your idea that male and female weren't required for reproduction. Naomi and Ruth. David and Jonathan. You keep handwaving them away.Edited by ringo, : Splling.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

And you decided he was a monster based soley on your moral standard, right after you exterminated a colony of ants. Can you tell me why your more important than ants, in the evoloutionary perspective. Arent we all the same according to youDawn Bertot

You're confused. I never said a word about ants. We humans are all the same according to me. Am I going to fast for you?

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

The same can be said about you (By presenting arguments in favour of unequality, you are then speaking for what you believe the Bible says and in turn, what god may have said). Which leads to only one logical conclusion. God fails at communication.