Abortion questions...?

I wasn't referring to my druthers. If I had my druthers, the only exemptions would be if the physical life of the mother was in danger.My point was that if other exemptions are unavoidable, they should be on a case by case basis. Better to start somewhere than the way it is now.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

From the Political Compass thread: Really? God appears to disagree with Buzsaw on this one. There's another verse where killing a slave is only a punishable offense if he dies immediately after you "strike" him: if he lives a day or two, it's only property damage. As loss of a fetus, above, is just property damage.

So, I take it as soon as sperm meets egg, there is a person? So this "person" can sustain itself and is not a parasite sucking nutrients from the female host? When does it become a "person" with a "body"? Wouldn't it need actual body parts to have a body?

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

Why repeat what failed in the past and was even more immoral, unjust and caused so much suffering?The States did not ban abortions, they only made getting or performing an abortion illegal. The result was that abortions continued to happen, but they were not done by trained doctors in hygienic hospitals.I will admit though that your plan would be great for the herbal sales businesses, another product that could be advertised and marketed on Christian Radio.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Why is the fetus less of a person if the woman's life is in danger? Since when can you choose between two persons by killing one of them?

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We all know the responsibilities involving having sex, but too many want to be absolved from them by killing the life which their irresponsibility has brought to be. Parent; Online Dictionary:

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1. One who begets, gives birth to, or nurtures and raises a child; a father or mother.

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The father and the mother are the one's doing the sex thing; the primary function being propagating the species. LOL, RAZD. Defining the term person is another ongoing debate topic between ideological counterparts. It's been ongoing for decades. Not all philosophers and scientists agree.Since we all became life and originated in the womb, imo, it's silly to argue about when we became a person. We all had the need to take on nourishment and whatever is needful to progress from conception to full maturity and beyond.That the 1st stages of our person hood took nutrients from the mother in the womb to progress and develop for exiting the womb has no more to do with life and person hood than when the baby (naturally) sucks the nutrients from the exterior breast of the mother and breaths the oxygen, from the atmosphere itself, etc.Why should ingesting nutrients from an inner tube from the mother make the baby any less a person than sucking the nutrients from the exterior breast of the mother?It is not totally known as to the psyche, the hearing and the emotions of infants in the womb. Perhaps the baby has more senses than we understand. Perhaps an eternal soul and some, including some scientists believe?Abortion is just the beginning of end of freedom to live and to persue happiness. It goes from there to euthanasia to extermination as was the case in secularist totalitarian nations in Europe last century when over a hundred million lives were terminated by their own secularist governments. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix quotes.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...Maybe, maybe, maybe...Yes but, yes but, yes but...All you have is a bunch of speculation and hand waving away obvious, significant developmental facts and you raise the interests of the fetus above that of the woman. I remember someone once saying that if men could get pregnant abortion would be a constitutional right.It really is quite impossible for you to empathize with anyone else, isn't it?

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Let me ask you this question. Suppose you worked at a restaurant and inadvertently gave someone else hepatitis. Would they be entitled to part of your liver? Could they compel you to submit to life threatening surgery and the loss of part of your liver to save their life if necessary?

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

This is about whether or not abortion should be legal, not whether or not you find it morally exceptable. That is not the primary function with regards to whether or not it should be legal. The function of the sex they had is irrelevant to the legal argument. No, its important to determining the legality because whether or not you're a person determines what your rights are. If its not a person then it can't be "murder". A blastocyst is not a person. An 8.99 month old might be, I dunno. But that would just push legal abortion back to the earlier trimesters like the majority of them are already performed during anyways.

Interestingly (and forgive me if this has been mentioned before), isn't this what Yahweh did when he commanded Abraham to perform a very very very late-term abortion on Isaac? Had Abraham carried through with it, getting a bit gung-ho and missing that last minute "Haha Abe, you SOOO fell for that" reprieve, he surely couldn't have been held morally responsible for the death of Isaac... he was only following orders was he not?(Forgive me RAZD I sort of randomly chose your post to reply to, just wanted to get involved in the thread )So, if I understand this correctly now, it would have been morally acceptable for Abraham to have terminated the life of his significantly-beyond-the-fetus-stage child for something so petty as to prove his devotion to God, but it's NOT okay for a woman to make a similar choice, for undoubtedly much more "down to earth" reasons, with advice from her doctor and with all the appropriate counselling, with regard to a zygote?

If someone was irresponsible at simply buying condoms and having unprotected sex, why on earth would you want such a person to care for a child?It's like you're saying, "Hey, you're an idiot who's still living life carelessly without concerns for yourself or others, how 'bout you take care of this tiny, helpless baby. Good luck."Wonder why there's so much crime, poverty, drug abuse, homelessness, poorly educated people who can't get jobs and are a burden on the rest of us? Idiots are continously having kids, neglecting them and going about their lives over populating society with less-than-average individuals.If we can't stop ourselves from having sex (which we are not) then, IMO, they should at least moderately control the amount of births per year by promoting abortion as a logical option, especially to teenagers in high school, and most importantly, to college students. We don't need this many people...we really don't.- Oni

Hi Briterican, welcome back. Good point. We also have the case for abandoning babies, as the mother of Moses did, so that she did not have to deal with the consequences of her behavior..Enjoy

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Well, they could just let someone adopt them. After all, I'm sure they would all turn out to be healthy, white, blond-haired, blue-eyed little cherubs that are always in demand, and certainly not a diseased crack baby of uncertain racial history that would be raised by a series of abusive foster parents.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Yeah, he's a real card that way Perhaps it's only when they are actually in the womb that he wants them protected? Oh wait

Gotta point out to you the same thing I do when the Christians quote mine.Look at both of those in context.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!