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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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dronestar writes: . . . as for the orangutans . . . you'd be surprised, . . . they're quite tasty. Well, they definitely have better taste than Trump."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD cheered your post? Really? Let's see, for the past couple of decades (centuries?), the voters have been using this "lesser-evil" strategy. The democrat voters would hold their noses while "carefully" voting for Obama over the more evil John McCain. And the republican voters would hold their noses while "carefully" voting for Bush Jr. over the more evil John Kerry. With these recent examples in mind, it is your opinion that the following presidential candidates are the positive shift we voters have been "carefully" cultivating?: It is part of the shift - as the republicans slide further to the reactionary right, the dems slide to the right with candidates (Hillary) that can appeal to disaffected republicans (yes there are some, increasingly vocal about it too) ... and that leaves room to the left for new progressive candidates. This is the reason that Bernie Sanders is doing so well (are you channeling the main-stream-media in ignoring him?). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Jon Inactive Member |
No room left for anybody not well funded.
Until that fact is changed, American politicians will always answer to the wealthy first and to their constituents second.Love your enemies!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No room left for anybody not well funded. Until that fact is changed, American politicians will always answer to the wealthy first and to their constituents second. Might as well not even vote...
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 610 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
It is import duties imposed by third world countries that cause american goods to be expensive. Believe me, from personal experience, poor people from other countries wish they could buy american goods. It is the import duty that causes most of the expense. If this trade deal eliminates some of these duties, it is a very good deal. Is that still fascism? I will never understand some peoples use a term I would more properly apply to people like Putin.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Indeed. In The Price of Civilization (thread), Jeffrey Sachs describes the disconnect between popular opinion regarding health care reform and what we got with the ACA. Having explained Obama's loyalty to the insurance lobbies, he goes on to say:
quote: Love your enemies!
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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It is import duties imposed by third world countries that cause american goods to be expensive. Believe me, from personal experience, poor people from other countries wish they could buy american goods. What stuff do we make that poor people cannot purchase just as cheaply from one or more Asian companies? John Deere Tractors? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 610 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
The country I visited had all imported goods priced extremely high. You cannot purchase a battery powered box fan for less than $240 USD there.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The country I visited had all imported goods priced extremely high. You cannot purchase a battery powered box fan for less than $240 USD there. That's exactly the kind of stuff that China makes more cheaply that we do. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 610 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
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foreveryoung Member (Idle past 610 days) Posts: 921 Joined: |
So the China fan is sold for $240 and the American fan is sold for $250 let's say in that country. The american fan automatically becomes cheaper than the China fan when you remove import duties on certain american goods in exchange for similar concessions on the American side for the raw materials this country produces. It would probably hurt the mining industry in america but it would lower the price of all goods produced from these raw materials. I cannot see what harm free trade does except harm non efficient industries.
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Jon Inactive Member |
I cannot see what harm free trade does except harm non efficient industries. If by 'efficiency' you mean most exploitable, then I agree.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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In What Went Wrong? (the book I am still reading that continues to give me things to think about), George Tyler discusses the impact of globalization on the economies of northern Europe and Australia (what he calls the 'family capitalism' countries) and America (home of Reaganomics).
He shows that globalization can actually benefit an economy, as it did Europe, or hurt an economy, as it did America, depending on the steps taken to either profit or fail. If an economy focuses in training workers and providing new skills, it can maintain good levels of employment with the added bonus of the jobs being better. If an economy does not prioritize these things, it will see jobs disappear and workers sit idle. While the American system has taken the latter path, the northern European countries have taken the former. The ratio of skilled jobs to unskilled jobs in these economies has increased faster than in the U.S. (where there has been no real difference between the increase in skilled vs. unskilled jobs). (The exact figures are in the book, which is at work; I will add them to the post sometime this weekend.) [ABE]The figures, as I promised: Starting with 1980 values as 100%, the 'Index of skilled labor employment' increased to 125% in the U.S. and 157% in Europe. Again, starting with 1980 values at 100%, the 'Index of unskilled employment' increased in the U.S. to 121% (almost the same increase as skilled jobs) but decreased in Europe to 86%. (pp. 320—321). While the U.S. was treating jobs as jobs and sat around losing them to foreign labor markets, Europe was taking advantage of globalization's displacement of unskilled workers by training them to meet the demands of skilled positions.[/ABE] What it amounts to is some economies choosing to take advantage of globalization as an opportunity to pass off low-skilled, less-desirable jobs to others and utilize the freed labor force for more desirable skilled work (= more profitable). While America continues on its path of Reaganomics, globalization will offer it nothing but more misery. But if American's choose family and societal welfare over corporate welfare and the welfare of the few, the world of globalization could be an amazing opportunity for prosperity and the ushering in of another golden age of American economic dominance and leadership. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies! |
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
RAZD writes: It is part of the shift - as the republicans slide further to the reactionary right, the dems slide to the right with candidates (Hillary) that can appeal to disaffected republicans (yes there are some, increasingly vocal about it too) ... and that leaves room to the left for new progressive candidates. RAZD, this supposed "shift" you write of has been happening for decades. Howard, Dean, Nador, Kucinich, Stein, and now latest leftist, . . . Sanders. But there's no discernable (discernible?) nation-wide shift over time, these leftist candidates have been getting the same anemic amount of voters as ever. They quickly are marginalized by the corporate media, then the few voters who actually bother to vote, go and elect a corporatist/fascist/war-monger. As I wrote before, this on-going strategy of "voting for the lesser evil" is not having any positive/progressive effect (where's my single payer health insurance?). And secondly, even if you could show your strategy was working on a glacially-slow time scale, . . . humanity doesn't have the time. Global warming, fresh water depletion, nuclear weapon proliferation-escalation/mass small-weapons sales, decreasing rights/liberties, third world/poverty escalation, fanatical religious/science-ignorance escalation, increasing military budget, blah blah blah. Just when exactly is this positive shift gonna happen? After the cockroaches become the sole inhabitants of the world?
RAZD writes: This is the reason that Bernie Sanders is doing so well (are you channeling the main-stream-media in ignoring him?). Huh? Ignoring? Try actually reading my post Message 10 of 28 (762766) in this thread. If you think I am being overly cynical, then I implore you to reply AFTER you watch the republican debates this Thursday. It will be like a clown explosion at the circus, but with more impending doom after-taste.
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