How do you all feel about the new posting rules?

Exactly - this will be very disconcerting to new members. I think it will drive them off.On the internet - with so many forums - several on this topic for instance - you cannot afford to scare thenm off.This will happen.Also regulars like myself tend to be creatures of habit and changes as radical as this just seem not worth the hassle.

Its not like this board is Really all that populated... I mean topics sit sometimes for days without a reply.(good topics to) I would be suprised if there are more then 4 people on at a time.... So how can the problems be all that bad?I don't see why the admins/mods are adding more work for themselves.... before all they had to do is close a topic or just move it... this seems like alot of work.....[This message has been edited by DC85, 04-20-2004]

You know, I did think the new protocol was a good idea. I have had my mind changed. I think we should open it back up again.

How about a step back, but not a full return?I think there has been one case where there was much discussion by the admins on a topic \ topic title, whereas most new topics are being approved and moved.There have been no instances of spam topics.If you leave the currently open forums for new topics open for new topics but do not restrict responses, then you only need to worry about moving ones that grow legs, and it will keep spam topics out of the "serious" forums.

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It doesn't look to me as if the new rules are working out - the front page I use, "List All Topics", seems unnecessarily cluttered to me and many good topics seem to fall off the bottom simply because of the threads being moved around.I wonder if this is like using a hammer to crack a nut - what proportion of proposed new topics have been changed before letting them on to the forums proper? I'm guessing that this is pretty small.If we go back to the old way, there may well be a few poor topics or topics posted in the wrong forum, but would this require any more admin intervention than currently? To me, it seems that the simplicity of EvC was one of its main draws and it would be a shame to lose it.PE

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Originally posted by Death_stranger
Sorry for posting another one must have caught the admin. attention when he is occasionally stoppin' by or and yes I surely did try to delete this entry, to keep the other but I'm not a Forum Leader Rules(?) "as a Junior Member" R u l e s WE DON'T NEED NO STINK'IN RULES :~ Forensic Scientists' . . have their own wrinkle on image degrading or fainting 0n Tv there a shroud Conference Speaker in each show that aired ; and now in the news the "Faces" on the image areas of the linen not part but almost the whole area of the linen And will lead to infintisimally numbers & fewer-and fewer numbers of "Theories" will be around without actual experiemental findings; also even some of them from the conservators perspective will[This message has been edited by Death_stranger, 04-28-2004]

for reasons, look above. (meant in a literal and not Biblical sense)

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by Death_strangerI'm sorry I can't Delete a Reply like me trying to
Delete this I tried to Delect this message you see
it affects me as a User with this "status" I am not
one of the enforcers or Forum leaders so it will NOT
allow me to, it's safe just not Okay.Sorry,There are only a couple need to be kept. Err with the others is there SOMEONE to delete THIS post and sorry but I still can't but ANY registered users may post "a Reply" just not a individual message of his own And no Peep out the the administration about UpGrading my status ================================================================================================================================================================================================
Research kept up to a new direction of finalizing a conclusion Yeah, if it affects me as a User with "Junior status". .it stinks
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D_S, The "junior" member status makes no difference to your priviledges. It is just a reminder that some people are new.You may, like everyone else, propose a new topic in the Proposed New Topics. Generally, this will be moved or suggestions for improvements will be made within 24 hours.If your posts are any example I suggest you spend a bit of time thinking about your proposed topic posts. You need to be clear enough so that others can understand what you are getting at.

It seems to be taking over a day to get simple posts approved or even noticed. By then they are buried in the list of current topic posts (Topic List for All Forums), heck some are even buried on the {Proposed New Topics} forum ("Three models for the origin of the universe" proposed by Stellatic 04-21-2004 09:29 AM).http://EvC Forum: What would we think if Percy.....
posted 04-27-2004 01:34 PMIs there a waiting period? 24 hours with no objections and okay to go? Or is there a bit of "I don't like this guy, we'll sit on it for a bit" alluded to by Kofh? Is only one adminpersona approving topics or can any do it? There seems to be a lack of information on the process.To be blunt, the {Proposed New Topics} seems to be a dead file.One gets better results posting to {Welcome, Visitors!}, or {Coffee House}, or {Free For All}, or {Short Subjects}, or ... just not posting at all, and let posts wander off topic? At least the conversations continue.I suggest you pick a forum (ie - either {Free For All}, or {Short Subjects}) and let all new posts start there unimpeded. If they "grow legs" then move them to other appropriate forums. If not they die by natural selection. Admin only needed to move topics and adjust titles, and topic leader responsible for clarity of topic, updating it as necessary so that any newcomer can read the lead article and respond to it appropriately (admins could assist those that are english challenged).That's my too sense worth.[This message has been edited by RAZD, 04-28-2004]

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In this thread Adminnemooseus requested that crashfrog repost a message to this thread. Since crash hasn't done so I suspect he missed the request. I thought I'd take the liberty of doing it.crashfrog wrote:

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This whole new topic thing is just way out of control. If the plan was to discourage participation, especially by new people, and promote the tendancy for topics to spin wildly out of control, mission accomplished.

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Moose didn't seem to be asking for me to repeat my response to crash, but he didn't forbid it so here it is:

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I tend to agree with you, though I don't think the new topic control measures are entirely to blame for the spinning out of control thing. Most of that spinning was caused by des, bless her heart; if anything, the new measures prevented her from going even more crazy by creating a bunch of new, pointless topics.

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That said, I would have preferred that topic creation privileges be given to all new members by default. Those that misbehave could simply have a topic creation restriction placed upon them.

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I make this reply to Berberry, even though it is really a reply to all.Berbery - I posted my reply to Crashfrog prior to seeing your message. I thank you for moving both.To all -The purpose of the topic review process is to...1) Get a reasonable quality opening message.2) Get a quality topic title.3) Get the topic into the correct forum....and to do such before the topic is released to debate. This is to get the debate off to a good start. It is difficult to impossible to fix things after the debate is already under way.There are 6 people that can move topics out of the "Proposed New Topics" forum. Despite this, with the exception of 1 topic by AdminAsgara, all the moved topics have been by me. I had been hoping and expecting more help on this.The topics that fall deep down the list at the "PNT" index page probably have serious quality problems. Go ahead, take a look at them.One of the problems with the new system is that there is no good was for cummunications between the topic reviewers and the topic proposers. That is why I am looking at opening the "Suggestions to Proposed New Topics" forum to postings by the topic proposers. While it is possible to set things up to permit the topic proposers in, without having to permit all members in, it is rather cumbersome. One would have to be setting up and removing special permissions on an individual member basis. The alternative is to open the "StPNT" to all members, and any non-reviewer/non-topic proposer posting there will have the content of his/her messages deleted out.Well, I've been rather extra busy in the real world lately. I will try later to give more specific responses to the various points.Gotta go now,
Adminnemooseus

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WHERE TO GO TO START A NEW TOPIC (For other than "Welcome, Visitors!", "Suggestions and Questions", "Practice Makes Perfect", and "Short Subjects")Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
Change in Moderation?
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too fast closure of threads

That sounds more workable than what we have now. But I also have to ask1) what has been changed on posts approved so far that wouldn't also be changed moving a topic from {free for all} or {short subjects}?2) would ones that have not been promoted die a quick death or would we see the transformation from other input as has occured on sid's topic (bayesian probability, chaitin descriptions, and evolution) where he essentially started all over on post #3 and post #8?ie -- what has the new system actually accomplished?

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I'm a natural born trouble maker! I think the problem is a role reversal on the forum. Who are the customers here? Without members, the forum is just a few "monitors" swappin' ideas about rules and regulations. It seems to me, there would be a LOT less hoopla if the "monitors" re-oriented themselves to satisfy the customers (posters) instead of trying to build a product they themselves like.It's a simple matter of supply and demand. There are plenty of other forums with the same subject matter...I happen to like this one....but if it is too restrictive, I'll leave (rather than get suspended numerous times with no real explaination) and go somewhere else.Lets face it, the forum is not exactly having it's doors beaten' down with people to wanting to get on it.

Ahem...don't-upset-the-moose-again...*cough cough*

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