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Topic: The Church and Homosexual Marriage
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Vercingetorix 
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Message 20 of 63 (189432)
03-01-2005 10:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Angeldust
02-28-2005 12:50 PM
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If the whole country was Christian we would have some basis for discussion in the political arena, however, being as a whole country never is, or never has been, I think we've overstepped our bounds on many occasions. yes, but the majority is christian, and since 51% of the country rules the other 49% that is all that is needed. you all know this. it has been one of christianity's goals from day one to make everyone christian. Rome may have been difficult to convert but this place is in the bag. a hole country never is or never has been chritian? are you serious there is one that is today. It is the smallest indepedant state on earth and it is called Vatican City. we've overstepped our bounds? we as in who? I thought you are Canadian?
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Vercingetorix
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Message 23 of 63 (189454)
03-01-2005 11:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 21 by LinearAq
03-01-2005 11:28 AM
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Re: Democracy Rules?
Then majority rules is always the case? Well, what if the majority of the population decided that Arabic peoples in the US should be herded up and placed in particular locations? Would you go along with it? like the amerindins? hmmmm personally, probably not. I am not for a national majority rule, I'm a state's rights rights fan. if a particular state wanted to do this, and they had the majority's support, well then why not? this is definately a gray issue its not black and white. are these arabs citizens? you said arabic peoples, do you mean people who consider themselves arabs or what? you wouldn't have the same freedoms in thier country. back to the topic at hand: i live in Illinois, but i work in Misery aka Missouri (STL). the state of Misery has an anti-same sex marrige amendment on its state constitution. the state will not regonize a marriage between same sex partners (no matter what state they are married in). this was put into effect by the majority of the sate (im thinking at least 70%). if you do not live in Missouri what business of this is yours? or mine? (i pay taxes in Missouri, but its the voters of Missouri who count) This message has been edited by Vercingetorix, 03-01-2005 14:24 AM
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Vercingetorix
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Message 27 of 63 (189479)
03-01-2005 2:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by berberry
03-01-2005 12:51 PM
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Re: Democracy Rules?
Indeed, and what business did Illinois and New York have telling Mississippi and Alabama what to do with their racial minorities? Why did they care if African-Americans in the South had no civil rights or legal protections? It didn't affect them; they lived in different states. What business did they have telling citizens of other states what to do? well those are blue states for you (and two of the worst). well actually illinois is only blue because of chicago, but that is new york and chicago for you. i couldn't agree with you more, its none of thier business. This message has been edited by Vercingetorix, 03-01-2005 14:11 AM
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Vercingetorix
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Re: Democracy Rules?
I might add... if the state of Missouri can decide that homosexuals are less than equal humans, then the state of Illinois can decide that heterosexuals are less than equal humans. So yes, it is very much my business. yeeeaahhhh rrriiight! that's gonna happen good rebuttle. in theory i guess it depends on how crazy those liberals up there get, but you can keep them in check im sure  Blagojevich is looking out for us, right?
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Vercingetorix
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Re: Democracy Rules?
Mainly because of the fourteenth amendment. By being a citizen of the United States, you are entiteld to equal protection under the law. In other words, no level of government can treat you any differently than it does any other citizen. Not at state level, not at federal level. It works under a pretty basic premise... it doesn't matter if the Governor or the President signs the piece of paper to bully a minority, it's crap either way. do you really believe that? (affirmative action? anyone) that is for citizens, no one answered the question above if the arabic peoples in question were citizens or not, if they were they would be called americans so i am guess they are not, and therefore not coverd by that amendment. so said one thing right, "...its crap..."
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Vercingetorix
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Message 35 of 63 (189530)
03-01-2005 6:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by LinearAq
03-01-2005 5:52 PM
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Re: Democracy Rules?
What part of your or the church's rights are violated by allowing them to be married? i don't know, i don think the church has any business in this matter. im talking about the power of the voters, try and put words into my mouth if you want to... if the majority of a states citizen's are against it and the federal government enforces it any way because. then that is tyrrany and its time for action. whether California wants to leagalize pot, or Alaska was to drill in ANWR, or Missouri wants to out-law same sex marriage.
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Vercingetorix
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WTF?
The answer should be obvious to thinking people by now, but I guess it will take a while for people to get out of the bigotted mindset.
what are you implying?
He will give an answer that will give you a unique perspective into the mindset of a very convinced bigot. WOW when i did something like this the admins came out and said from the guidelines: Respect for others is the rule here. Argue the position, not the person. and then they gave me a link to the rules page. BTW that is rule number 3. these boards are F'ed up.
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Vercingetorix
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Re: WTF?
Ver writes: what are you implying?
You are reading too much into my words.
WOW when i did something like this the admins came out and said
from the guidelines: Respect for others is the rule here. Argue the position, not the person. and then they gave me a link to the rules page. BTW that is rule number 3.
Um... there's nothing wrong saying someone is a bigot. I'm a bigot myself. Everybody is a bigot of some sort.
In the context of "bigot" that I was using, I was referring to the type of bigotry against homosexuals. I seem to recall that he once admitted to being one. Can't insult someone if that person admits to being something. You are reading too much into my words. Just take my words at their face value and nothing more. well i have never met him or seen any of his posts, now i know he's a bigot though thanks, i guess i can call him one on the bases that he called himself one, so i guess i could also call a nigger a nigger when he refers to himself as one. somehow i don't think that will work. you have interesting logic so basically im a nigger, and everyone is a nigger of some sort, i mean we all evolved from niggers in africa, right? This message has been edited by Vercingetorix, 03-02-2005 09:09 AM This message has been edited by Vercingetorix, 03-02-2005 09:11 AM
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Vercingetorix
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Re: Democracy Rules?
Then mobilize the people against the fourteenth amendment. You seem to have a big problem with this whole "everyone in the country will be treated equally" thing; take action! proabably because not everyone is and it is an oxymoron that everyone will be.
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Vercingetorix
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Re: Democracy Rules?
yeah its before my morning coffee i totally fucked that up
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Vercingetorix
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Re: Democracy Rules?
Regardless, you still haven't explained your problem with following the Constitution i just think that the constitution more of an ideal than a legal document. its like the US political bible, if it were followed to the letter and the spirit then this would be a much better place for all, but like the holy bible the US constitution is misread, misused, and totally ignored, by people. it is sorta becoming a joke. i hear people talk about the bill of rights yet those amedments have been butchered recently and no longer hold the weight that they once did. i have no problem following the constitution, its just that i don't believe it is being followed.
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