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PaulK
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Message 10 of 38 (187152)
02-21-2005 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by crashfrog
02-09-2005 7:55 PM


Some years ago there was a rash of sudden deaths in the UK Defence industry, including, IIRC, at least 2 rather bizarre suicides.
Since it struck a little close to home I kept an eye out. (While I didn't know any of the people and I was no longer working in Defence one of the dead HAD worked on a project I had also been involved with).
But the run stopped, no hard evidence was ever produced to suggest that there was any link and it seems to have been all a coincidence.
Now these deaths actually made the mainstream press. The list you linked to reminds me more of the list of deaths supposedly linked with President Clinton. I suspect there will be a similar lack of substance when the details are examined.

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Message 14 of 38 (190818)
03-09-2005 6:04 PM
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03-09-2005 3:08 PM


In this particular case there was no clear link between the dead individuals, and the run of deaths stopped. A statistical quirk is by far the most likely explanation.
And the only thing more surprising than the idea thatt the U.S. government would be ruthless to plan 9-11 is the idea that they would be competent enough to succeed and get away with it.

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Message 16 of 38 (190887)
03-10-2005 5:15 AM
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03-10-2005 4:27 AM


You're being illogical. Given that there is no reasonable alternative, a statistical quirk is the most likely explanation for the evidence that we actually have.
Jumping from the speculation that there might be some connection to the conclusion that a conspiracy is a likely explanation would be making an unwarranted assumption. Concluding from the lack of evidence of any connection that a conspiracy is an unlikely explanation is not.

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Message 18 of 38 (190893)
03-10-2005 6:56 AM
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03-10-2005 6:25 AM


None of the people concerned had any connection to biological warfare - AFAIR none of them were biologists at all. So how is it reasonable to assume that SA's biowarfare program had any connection to the deaths ? Where's the illogic and danger in not making that connection when there is absolutely no good reason TO make such a connection ? Surely it is more illogical and dangerous to make connections like that without any sound basis for doing so.
And how can the mere possibility of a connection which somehow escaped detection change the assessment of the likelihood of a conspiracy ? Surely you must at least jump to the conclusion that such a connection is likely to dismiss my assessment.

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Message 20 of 38 (190898)
03-10-2005 8:01 AM
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03-10-2005 7:29 AM


The problem is revealed. I'm talking about the case I raised - which made national news at the time, not the original post.
And you still can't explain why speculations that there might be some unknown connection between a series of deaths is an adequate reason to consider a conspiracy AS LIKELY as chance.

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Message 26 of 38 (190908)
03-10-2005 9:02 AM
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03-10-2005 8:14 AM


Let me point out that
a) You managed to miss the fact that I was talking about a different set of deaths even after I pointed out that none of the people involved were biologists - while the OP referred to explicitly referred to the deaths of "microbiologists, immunologists, and protein researchers"
b) You chose to attack my point that a statistical quirk was the most likely explanation by appealing to the possibility of some obscure, unknown, connection. You were NOT attacking a "knee-jerk reaction" since there was none.
I suggest that instead of engaging in childish rants you actually learn to pay attention to the messages you are replying to.

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Message 32 of 38 (190931)
03-10-2005 11:14 AM
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03-10-2005 10:56 AM


So basically your argument is that since you said something completely irrelevant in a post I didn't reply to that somehow means that I didn't read the posts that I DID reply to
Like I said, you're being completely illogical.

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