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Primordial Egg
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Message 42 of 56 (23078)
11-18-2002 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by allen
11-18-2002 6:37 AM


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Originally posted by allen:
speaking of souls.. when i was about 16 years old i worked in an old folks home washing dishes... one day after being there for several months, a nurse came to the kitchen to ask who wanted to see a soul leave a dying woman who had refused to eat for the better of several weeks...i exclaimed there was no way that you could see a soul leaving a body.. the nurse exclaimed ..yes, she sees it all the time when she attends to the dying. Ok so i and 2 other workers agreed to sneak down to this dying womans room.. she was about 96 years old and the better of 6 foot tall. Arriving in her room i saw what appeared to be a skeleton covered in flesh that had sunken to the very backside of the dying woman..it was actually quite shocking for me as i have had never seen a human in this state before in my life.. as i turned to leave the room, the nurse grabbed my arm, and said dont leave its about to happen. So i reluctantly stayed to watch.. tho i did not believe it would happen, several minutes passed as we watched the dying womans chest raise and fall, slowing ever so slowly to an almost gental and calming final exhalation..then from that last exhale, came a cloud like vapor that exited in a stream whisping and rolling upward, pausing ever so long a few inches above her chest in a pillow shaped form, then all at once, began to slowly rise as if ordered to by some command from above.. i wanted to touch it , and as i stepped forward and began to reach like a child that was in awe of a new thing, the nurse blocked my hand ,and told me strictly not to touch it because it was the womans soul leaving her body..and if i touched it , it would interupt its asend into heaven. I withdrew my outstreached arm, and reluctantly withdrew my reach. I believe we all stood there for a long moment with our mouths open and eyes widened like we just witnessed some other relm. The nurse giggled with delight as she exclaimed...see i told you, it happens all the time.
I walked out of that room with the hairs on my neck standing as i almost couldnt walk normally for a few steps, as if some strange being was in the room with us, an electic or static feeling covered our entire bodies..and all at once, you could feel like a heavy weight had fallen off your being..and i ran like the dickens back to the kitchen...where i seemingly felt i had to peer out into the dark corners of the kitchen to see if some being were spying on me..oh a frightfull night that was..i will never forget that night .
so do you think what i saw was just the last vapor of water leaving or evaporating upward.. and what about the shape of the vapor assembling itself directly over her chest and stomache area?.. and pausing for a long moment, then going up ever so slowly..slower than steam from a tea kettle. Just what was it that i really had seen that night ? again i am serious..please do not be whimsickle. thanks for reading this...it has ben many years that i have told this since i was 16. im 46 now. so you can see i havent told this to anyone for all these years.untill now. thanks.

How do you know you didn't imagine this? Especially if you've never mentioned this to anyone....memories have a habit of changing to what we would want them to be, rather than what they actually were.
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Primordial Egg
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Message 55 of 56 (23379)
11-20-2002 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Karl
11-20-2002 11:15 AM


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Originally posted by Karl:
Forgiven - you can search as much as you like; there is no mention of an afterlife in the Pentateuch. That is why the Sadducees didn't believe in it. In the Pentateuch, everything is "this life" based. Obey God's commands, everything goes well. Disobey, get squashed. It was the gradual realisation that this wasn't actually happening that led to theological development and the concept of an afterlife.
According to Straight Dope, it was the Zoroastrians who invented the concept of paradise and hell and this was borrowed by the Jewish tradition c. 100 BC.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020201.html
PE
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It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains
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