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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I thought that the reason God murdered every living thing in The Flood was because He wasn't pleased with what He had created (except for Noah and his family), and he needed to start all over again.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: How do you know God hasn't created automatons who only believe they have free will?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: There's also Gravitational Theory. Do you disagree that there is a force called "gravity" that can also be demonstrated to be a fact as?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If one follows your viewpoint back to it's logical conclusion, that is where it leads. If your portrayal of God is correct, then god isn't some big hero for "offering a way out", because he put us in this terrible situation Himself, on purpose, knowing it would cause us immense suffering. God needlessly set up humanity to fail, like rats in a science experiments.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I don't see why not. That was the view of God that the Early Hebrews had.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But I have exactly the same knowledge of good and evil as God, so I have used that ability (which is the same as God's) to judge His actions. Therefore, the fact that he killed EVERYTHING on the planet, even the babies in their mothers' wombs, even the animals, even the plants, for goodness sake, leads me to the opinion that the Flood was not a rightous act. It was incredibly cruel and rather sadistic. And God clearly calls it a mistake that he made humans, althogh why he also had to destroy all the animals and the plants too, which seemed to not have done anything wrong, I really don't get.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Wy does God need to repent if he hasn't made a mistake?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
How do you know God hasn't created automatons who only believe they have free will? quote: That is exactly what an automaton that only thinks they have free will would believe.
quote: I do not think that someone who rejects science in favor of a 2000 year old nomadic sheepherder's religion is in any position to be playing the "logic card" at this juncture. If you are going to claim "God used his super powers" to explain away most of modern science, I think that my proposition is perfectly valid using your standards of evidence and explanation.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Do all humans have the same ability as God, to Know Good from Evil, because Adam and Eve ater of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and became "as God", or not? If we do, then our "opinion" of the plan is certainly valid, because we have the same ability as God to judge it as Good or Evil. If not, then is Genesis incorrect in saying that humanity has the same ability as God to judge Good from Evil?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...a major source of needles guilt and shame, justification for persecution, genocide, slavery, torture subjegation, sexism, racism, and all-around injustice...
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I do not think that someone who rejects science in favor of a 2000 year old nomadic sheepherder's religion is in any position to be playing the "logic card" at this juncture. quote: The very next sentence from my previous post answers your question. Why didn't you include it in your response? Here it is for you now:
If you are going to claim "God used his super powers" to explain away most of modern science, I think that my proposition (that God made us all automatons that only [i]think[/b] we have free will) is perfectly valid using your standards of evidence and explanation. Oh, and the science you are rejecting would be modern Biology.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: quote: I "worship" science in the same way I "worship" a hammer. It is a useful tool.
quote: Science is a very useful, effective tool that is used to better understand the natural mechanisms of the Universe. It is neutral WRT ethics and morality; we apply ethical and moral constraints to scientific endeavors as we deem neccessary. Unlike Christianity and other religions, science does not claim to be the only source of righteousness, nor Ultimate Truth, etc., while you do claim this for Christianity and the Bible. Therefore, it is perfectly valid to find fault with the system itself for being immoral or unethical because it claims to be a source of morals and ethics.
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