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Topic: Straw man, non sequitur, red herring etc - examples for educational purposes...
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iano
Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 1 of 10 (286266)
02-13-2006 6:47 PM
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Those involved in debate here will frequently see references to 'standard phrases' which to make up some of the currency of debate technique: straw man, self-contradiction, begging the question etc. The link below might prove useful for those (like me) who, due to inexperience aren't quite clear about what these terms mean. Although the medium used takes a critical look at the sayings of a certain Richard Dawkins (known as the British medias 'Atheist in Waiting') my intention is not to criticique evolution (which Mr. Dawkins strenuously defends ). This link is offered because it gives a detailed examination by way of exaple, of the workings of commonly used debate-phrases. I hope it will prove useful for all standpoints Dawkins and the Public Understanding of Scientism - bethinking.org This message has been edited by iano, 14-Feb-2006 12:12 AM
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AdminNosy
Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: 11-11-2003
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Message 2 of 10 (286277)
02-13-2006 7:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by iano
02-13-2006 6:47 PM
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Where are the logical fallacies definitions?
A short browse didn't bring them up. I suggest this site is a better, more direct source for them. Fallacies - Nizkor
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iano
Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 3 of 10 (286279)
02-13-2006 7:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
02-13-2006 7:24 PM
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Re: Where are the logical fallacies definitions?
The link seems to work ok this side of the pond but a less biased version as you supply is probably a better option considering the...er.... spirit.... of the intent
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AdminNosy
Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: 11-11-2003
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Message 4 of 10 (286284)
02-13-2006 7:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by iano
02-13-2006 7:28 PM
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Re: Where are the logical fallacies definitions?
The link worked, the list of fallacies wasn't glaringly obvious. The site I picked was just one near the top on google. Reading it over, it seems to me the examples are very weak. This one might be better: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/ (the first site isn't just biased; it is fully wrong in some places. This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 02-13-2006 07:41 PM
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5225 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Message 5 of 10 (286286)
02-13-2006 7:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by iano
02-13-2006 6:47 PM
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NOT ON TOPIC HERE: DO NOT RESPOND.Iano, So what exactly is Dawkin's strawman? Your link didn't specify. Mark This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 02-13-2006 08:03 PM
There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 6 of 10 (286290)
02-13-2006 8:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by mark24
02-13-2006 7:42 PM
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T o p i c !
Dawkin's Strawman is NOT on topic here. DO not respond.
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5938 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 7 of 10 (286341)
02-14-2006 1:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by iano
02-13-2006 6:47 PM
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iano For a more in-depth look at fallacies of logic you may be interested in this website here http://www.fallacyfiles.org/ Let me know if you find it helpful.
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5225 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Message 8 of 10 (286352)
02-14-2006 3:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 6 by NosyNed
02-13-2006 8:03 PM
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Re: T o p i c !
Nosy, I thought Dawkin's alleged fallacies were exactly what was being discussed? Mark
There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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iano
Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: 07-27-2005
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Message 9 of 10 (286390)
02-14-2006 9:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by sidelined
02-14-2006 1:46 AM
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thanks sidelined - handy indeed and better than the one I put up
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Message 10 of 10 (287375)
02-16-2006 3:19 PM
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Bump for Use
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