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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Do you think that scientists are so stupid and clueless that they don't know about this, and that they don't design experiments to minimize these kinds of things? No, but this matter is not something that can be calculated scientifically. It all depends on what one means by "religious."
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Again, how do you know this? Experience.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The scientific question is, "What religious group do people in certain populations self-identifywith?" That's all very well, but it doesn't mean much.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You have provided no rational argument for why we should discard all of the data. What I'm saying is that just because somebody calls themselves a Christian, in prison, it doesn't mean much. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Do you reject the self-reported data from the general population? Why or why not? Not all. It depends on the popularity of the response. Do you recall a case of voting whre this black man was running for some office and supposedly he was supposed to win, and he lost by a landslide? It's because people didn't want to say they weren't going to vote for him, due to politically correct pressure.
Do you reject all self-reported data? Why or why not? No. Depends on the circumstances.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
So why are the numbers of Christians and Atheists/Agnostics in prison fairly close to that found in the general population? "Fairly close"? Anyway, it doesn't matter. It proves nothing.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You mean like 95% of Ireland calling themselves Romans Catholic and in a population of 15000 where I live the Roman Catholic church gets maybe 150 attending on Sundays (average age over 50) Yes, and why do they call themselves that?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
How do you explain the very similar numbers between the two populations? 83 and 76? Quite a few more "Christians" in prison, I'd say.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The point I was challenging was that Atheists and Agnostics "fill the prisons" just as much as believers due to their "low morals".
Just because you are an atheist doesn't mean you have low morals, but we don't need a survey to figure that out.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
But we DO need a survey to know if Atheists and Agnostics "fill the prisons" just as much as believers do. These surveys are meaningless. We don't know what somebody thinks in their heart. We don't know if their self-designation as this or that has any influence on them. From what I've seen, most people act like atheists to me.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Someone asked them a question they never thought about. They felt a need to provide an answer. And tradition did the rest. Exactly.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
No fruit in their convictions - their convictions being something they don and discard like a evening suit or something? Yes, that's it. And of course no one lives "nihilistically." These philosophical positions do not translate to practicalities. But it does matter to one's inner being. I think that's important. "Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
So from now on, it's perfectly OK for me to insist that you are not actually an Atheist, is that correct? Go ahead if you want to.
Like I have already said, it doesn't matter what they act like. I thought this was about the relationship between beliefs and morals.
Come on, robin, put on your thinking cap and stop being so belligerant. I got to get one of those thinking caps. I'm not being belligerent.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Nothing from him yet except sullen, 5 word replies. My answers are not "sullen." But you can't automatically expect these people to be telling the truth, especially in prison where they want to impress people as being good guys so they can get out. To many people in our culture, "Christian" entails the meaning "good guy," and "atheist" entails the meaning "bad guy."
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